Avi, ... I m sure Ron will speak for himself, but I think you might want to consider that 4 credible Agile Practitioners/Coaches/Trainers have now expressedMessage 1 of 60 , Jan 8View SourceAvi,> It really feels like you'r picking a fight here.
I'm sure Ron will speak for himself, but I think you might want to consider that 4 credible Agile Practitioners/Coaches/Trainers have now expressed reservations about your comments regarding "..the point is to do **as little** conversation as possible..." All 4 have expressed their reservations fairly clearly.I don't think anyone is picking a fight... I think 4 intellectual people are choosing to disagree with you. **If** your intent is to try to make yourself look like the victim of someone whose been "picked on" -- I don't think that's going to "pass muster" here.-------
From: avinap77 <avi.naparstek@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: How well understood should a PBI or User Story be at various points in its lifecycle?
--- In email@example.com, Ron Jeffries wrote:
> limiting face-to-face conversation, or even phone/video
> conversation, is not the Agile path.
I would really rather not go into a "this is agile, this is not" discussion.
Agile path or no agile path - keeping limits is a part of life.
And in the context of Kurt's question - we seem to be talking about the same thing - effective communication, efficient conversation.
It really feels like you'r picking a fight here.
What's eating at you?
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p.s. While we re at it: The ScrumMaster acts as a coach for the Scrum Team, helping them to execute the Scrum process. He helps them to work together and toMessage 60 of 60 , Jan 12View Sourcep.s. While we're at it:
The ScrumMaster acts as a coach for the Scrum Team, helping them to execute the Scrum process. He helps them to work together and to learn the Scrum framework, and protects them from both internal and external distractions. **He may facilitate meetings**, and helps keep the Scrum Team on track, productive, and growing in ability.
(Agile Atlas, I think you know which page)
I'm in fact addressing the root cause of this discussion - here:
Have a happy week,
and don't take me too seriousely - I would be deeply offended if you did...
We're not building nuclear missiles, nor promoting world peace.
It's just software, Try to remember it.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "avinap77" wrote:
> Healthy sense of self-humor helps too..
> With greatest respect, Really.
> --- In email@example.com, Ron Jeffries wrote:
> > Hi Avi,
> > On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:21 AM, "avinap77" wrote:
> > > So what's the deal with facilitation? is it in or out?
> > You win. The word "facilitates" appears in the Scrum Guide.
> > Ron Jeffries
> > www.XProgramming.com
> > I have two cats, and a big house full of cat stuff.
> > The cats fight and divide up the house, messing up their own lives.
> > Nice work cats.
> > Meow.