Having seen organizations with a hodge podge of logging frameworks, I don t care to go there again. Seriously, logging has got to be one of the most overdone,Message 1 of 148 , Jul 1, 2008View SourceHaving seen organizations with a hodge podge of logging frameworks, I
don't care to go there again.
Seriously, logging has got to be one of the most overdone, and
under-performing areas of middleware. The Java community alone has at
least 3 different ways of doing logging. Why???????
As a business user (PO), does it really buy me anything if we use
multiple frameworks? What does it cost me if we use only one?
Isn't there something more important to focus on that logging frameworks?
--- In email@example.com, Ilja Preuss <it@...> wrote:
> Tobias Mayer wrote:
> > Ron, Ilja,
> > Mark's point about following company standards is a reasonable one.
> > They exist. Sometimes they are useful.
> To me it seems like the controversy mainly is about how useful they
> really are. I understood Mark to say that we, for example, *should*
> a company standard on what logging framework to use. I find that to be
> highly questionable advice.
> Cheers, Ilja
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Emiliano HeynsMessage 148 of 148 , Sep 13, 2008View SourceOn Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Emiliano Heyns <Emiliano.Heyns@...> wrote:On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Ilja Preuss <it@...> wrote:Emiliano Heyns wrote:How visible is that progress? How visible is how much needs still to be
> Do I want them to behave differently... that is a very good question. I
> think (easy to say) I would be OK with a wide variety of behaviors as
> long as we're showing noticeable progress towards our projects' goal.
done to reach that goal? Is this reflected in some kind of burn chart
that the team members believe in?
I'm beginning to doubt this. We have something like this, but I wonder whether the value of the milestones is adequately explained, which could certainly be an issue for the new member. If not, it could explain a thing or two.
I've been reading Jean Tabaka's book; I forgot who recommended it to me, but here's a heart-felt thank you to whoever did. I've found "a thing or two" that I should have handled very, very differently. So my apologies to this group, after the apologies already rendered to my team. We're not at the performing stage yet, but in a lot better shape than we were.