Sandy, et al
Your PADLE appears to be in the same water as CS Roundtable (pun intended).
Breakout sessions are "den meetings" and the main session is the "pack
meeting" usually two monthly themes in advance. The resources sheets are
handed out for leaders to return to their packs to use in developing their
den meetings and pack meeting. The Roundtable Commissioner is using a
"nationally approved RT program help" to implement the Roundtable program as
a "model pack and den meeting" for Cub leaders.
The RT Program Help is the syllabus for RT developed by National. I agree
with Jamie Dunn that Pow Wow and U. of Scouting are the flies in the
ointment (there is a syllabus for Pow Wow called "Spotlight on Pow Wow" and
a course at PTC as well called "Pow Wow Leadership") but I disagree that
there's no syllabus for the supplemental training courses. She quotes
National (via PTC course description): "participants will learn how to
develop lesson plans on existing and all future training courses" and
extrapolates there's no syllabus but it clearly states "existing training
courses". The manner in which lesson plans are created differs among people
(I use to be a teacher and believe me not all teachers approach Lesson Plan
development the same and that's the focus here.developing lesson plans from
existing syllabus or curriculum). A lesson plan is simply the method
(Trainer Development Conference comes to mind here.) by which the
facilitator will impart the course content as delineated in the syllabus.
This would be different if the course description stated "participants will
learn how to create syllabus for nationally approved training courses" or
"participants will create new training courses (or programs) for use in the
BSA" or "participants will create the course content utilizing nationally
approved learning and development models for same" none of which is stated
or even implied.
Regardless, I personally like what you wrote about PADLE and would further
state most Cub Scout Leader Specific training is conducted in that manner.
Once again you learn the rules of the road in a general meeting (pack
meeting) environment and then do the leader specific breakouts (den
meetings). All the while you are sprinkled with run-ons, songs, cheers and
skits (that's how our Cub leader training is conducted). It is basic
training and CS Leader Roundtable is supplemental but both are delivered in
a very similar manner.
Nonetheless, Jamie makes another excellent point --- Pow Wow does it
better!!! University of Scouting, too!!! Also, saying you're handing out
"unapproved program helps" is probably not a good idea BUT handing out a
PACK RESOURCE SHEET is (in my humble opinion). Maybe your Pro advisor is
playing semantics here. They have up and down days, 'ya know?
Let's jump the fence.how is your PADLE different from a Wood Badge TICKET
item(s)? We generally don't look at the WB ticket as a training course or
supplemental training but we do think of it as taking the Nationally
approved practical course (content) experience and the participant "applies"
what they learn through their position to make a significant impact on
youth. The "ticket" is an executable lesson plan. I see your PADLE as much
the same and perhaps that is what the Pro advisor sees as well? It's a
doctorial presentation or wood badge ticket item but not a training program.
This is something your district training committee should be doing or
perhaps the Pack Trainer? All too often it's called "OJT". Your spin is
taking the Fast Start video/CD and making it experiential. Maybe you could
develop a syllabus for it and submit it to National. I'll PADLE with you on
still waters only! Good luck!
Longs Peak Council
] On Behalf
Of Sandra Martens
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:17 AM
To: scout trainers
Subject: [Scouter_T] nationally authorized syllabi only
Help me out-
My professional advisor for training in the council told us at the meeting
last week that only nationally approved syllabi can be used for training-
that we cannot create and use any of our supplemental training.
I run a PADLE (Pack and Den Leader Experience) where new leaders learn what
a den meeting should be like by going through 2 den meetings and a pack
meeting. the pack committee also goes through a committee meeting and helps
plan the pack meetings for 2 months. We also give them program helps (not
the national ones) for Oct, Nov and Dec. these program helps include
everything they need for their meetings except craft supplies (the national
ones often refer to other books new leaders might not have yet)
There isn't really a syllabus for it- it's my doctoral thesis for our
commissioner university. I have been told that because of the new rules from
national they'll let me put it on this year, but no more.
Have any of you heard of this rule?
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