I think you did the right thing in not pass the Scout on to Star.
I have a similar situation in my Troop in regard to the pull ups. 0 pull ups on the first test, 3/4 of a pull up on the second test. Most would call this an improvement.
Now I know we are talking about two different ranks, yours (I know you are not the SM) to Star and mine to Tenderfoot. My concern is where do we draw the line on a Scout accomplishing something or almost accomplishing something?
Love those Cub Scouts, was a leader for four years, but the standards change a little from Cub Scouting to Boy Scouts.
A boy going for Star and doesn't know the Oath, I'm sorry, the line must be drawn. The line should have been drawn when this boy was going for Tenderfoot.
wrote: Hi ALL,
I'd like to "vent" a little, and ask for some feedback as well.
Two nights ago, I was 1/5 of a Board for 2 Star Scouts. First one passed
flying colors. Second one didn't pass. I got some heat from the mother.
THAT'S what's bothering me. Her words to me. Should I/we have passed her son
to STAR? I don't think so, but would welcome some feedback.
I am the Troop Committee Chairman. Have been for 5 years. Been a Committee
Member for 8. I am the District Training Chairman for 3 years for BOY Scout
Adult Leaders. I have been asked, and did, teach Committee Challenge at
University of Scouting for our Council this past January. I came prepared, and did
well. I think I know my "stuff".
Since we have about 30 scouts in the Troop, I can't remember who is going for
what at each Board of Review. I started by asking this particular Scout what
rank he was going for so I could pull out my 4 or 5 copies of requirements
for that rank, and pass them around the table to the other 4 adults on the
Board. He had no clue. Even after a minute. We finally took his Scoutbook,
opened it up, and determined in seconds that he was going for Star rank. Very
well. I asked him to stand and tell us the Scout Oath. I got a couple of words.
I was very polite, and offered him to use his book. He couldn't find it.
Another adult did. He stumbled on the words. Got most of them. Ditto on the
Scout Law. Fine...nervousness.
Questions were asked. Not much for answers. One was "what Eagle required
merit badges did you do for Star?" Scout had no clue. We finally got it
out of the book. Service project was helping Girl Scouts at a Pinewood
Derby. He carried cars from the bottom up to the top. wow.
More questions were followed by TOO many "I don't know."
I started writing things down. When you dont' pass, we need to write down
for the Scout where he can improve, right? I was done with questions. When
others on the Board were also, we excused the Scout, and immediately noted that
he was not a good representative of a Star Scout in our opinion. Oh
yeah....one of the questions that was asked was his age. "Just turned 12".
I called him back, and told him that we would like him to come back in 1
week, and try again. Practice some of the things that we talked about, and try
again, and again, and again, if he needs to...but we just didn't think he was
ready to pass tonight. I handed him my paper with comments , explained it all
to him, and we all encouraged him to practice and "see ya next week !" with
I went to talk with his mother...as I am the Chairman. Advancement Chairman
was right behind me. He sat on the Board also. I knew that any parent
wouldn't be too happy, but I was verbally confronted a little too much. Was
accussed that I was changing the questions all of a sudden. Said that any BOR she
sat in on...Law and Oath were never asked. Wrong. (Scouts of any rank
should know them by heart anyway....especially by STAR). Everything was you,
you,you. No consideration that it was 5 adults, and a unanimous decision, and
that we did not say he failed....we invited him back for a 2nd -10th time to
try again. Mother says, he is in tears. Hmmm....Going for
Star....leadership, responsibility....etc didn't even know what rank he was going for, now
he's in tears....and she's yelling at me for not passing him? "Why are you
testing him now...never did before?" No test questions were asked...BOR is
not a test...a review. She didn't want to hear it.
On and on.
I've checked macscouter.com today, under "Scoutmaster and Committee Stuff",
and reviewed the 12 pages of A Guide to Conducting a Board of Review. Our
BOR's look at this stuff and follow it. We don't test. We review. I wrote
comments on where to review, and encouraged him to come back next week.
So, what do you all think? This is the first time I have EVER mentioned the
particulars of a BOR, but I'm hurt. All the time, effort, money, time away
from my family...and I get this? First time it's happened, but I'm
surprised at the personal affront from the parent. I don't want anyone to insult the
honor of Scouting by allowing a Scout to pass a BOR that isn't qualified, but
none of us asked any tough questions. You don't pass a BOR for STAR by
walking into the room in full uniform.
Thanks for letting me vent.
unsigned to keep the Scouts anonymity, not mine. He's a good person, and a
good Scout. Just "ain't" ready for Star...and barely made it over the fence
with 1St Class in my opinion. At 12, he's got 6 more years to go still.
Why the noise when we just invited him to come back 1 week later?
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