Ahhhhhhhhhhh, yes, I remember why I prefer to be a lurker. One innocent question can stir up such a lively discussion . Heck, we even get conflictingMessage 1 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004View SourceAhhhhhhhhhhh, yes, I remember why I prefer to be a lurker. One innocent
question can stir up such a lively discussion <smiling>. Heck, we even get
conflicting "professional opinion". Some day indeed!
Thanks for all of the responses. I appreciate all the suggestions to use
alternate presentation techniques, "add pizzazz", and personalize the
presentation. I should have provided some background -- I have been to TDC
(actually the old TtT), have done patrol level and troop level
presentations in the old BSLWB and the new WB21C courses, and have used
most of these techniques at some point. When training at Philmont's Zastrow
Camp, we used PaperPoint for presentations. (For some reason, participants
at a Philmont Wood Badge course don't expect electronic presentations <big
grin>. But, those days are long gone - Zastrow is now a program camp for
By it's very nature, this group represents Scouting's training elite --
they are experienced, motivated, devoted, and passionate about providing
the best training experience they can. A very good thing indeed. However,
there are many, many folks on training teams who never see anything but
"the way we always do it in our district".
So, I was interested in how many groups have jumped into the 21st Century
and now use PPT for their presentations. It's clear some have, and some
haven't. To paraphrase Tip O'Neil: "All Scouting and Scouter Training is
local", eg, most only know what's done in their district. That's one of the
great things about discussion groups - it lets us share experiences across
wide geographic boundaries. Through our exchanges, we all learn a little
more about how things are done in other places.
My point was simply this - when you buy the official BSA syllabus, it comes
with a CD with PPT presentations for each of the NLE & LST sessions. In
addition, the LST video provides standard content for that part of the
session. Theoretically the trainer follows the syllabus, so the only
variation is local info and presentation technique. I was simply curious
how many trainers have followed BSA's lead with the PPT presentations.
As we say around here - just my 0.02 worth, and YMMV.
There s a reason that Trainers are supposed to have taken the NEW Trainer Development Conference (only slightly changed from the old TTT). It exposes them toMessage 2 of 12 , Feb 1, 2004View SourceThere's a reason that Trainers are supposed to have taken the NEW Trainer
Development Conference (only slightly changed from the old TTT). It exposes them
to lots of ways to teach... and points out that leaners learn from different
For those who think rigidly, the syllabus tells you what the content is. How
that content is delivered is up to the trainer. Ellie Morrison, chair of the
Southern Region Wood Badge Committee, likens the content to a carton of eggs.
Deliver the eggs. Even if you scramble them, or cook them sunny side up,
they still get an egg.
People were surprised when the committee did a sample presentation that
included a role play that was not in the sylllabus. It made it more interesting!
The syllabi are designed to give you what to say. And, probably less so with
NLE and some LST, there is usally enough time to add some pizzaz.
One other thing to think about. Most of us doing training these days are old
Baby Boomers or older. The younger people we are training are of a different
generation. They want the info, don't want to spend loads of time on it, and
they think and expect technical.
We need to be fishing with bait they like to eat, not what we like to eat, as
old B-P once told Scoutmasters. And, ask yourself, how many of you want to
sit through six hours of Power Point presentations. I've done it, no thanks. If
you think of your learners, you won't either.
There's also ways to use PPT and still have pizzazz. It is a tool. Not the
Dave Loomis also said:
" That's a bit odd because when we were at Philmont the national Boy
Scout Training Chair, John Alline, told us that initially they had no
intent to use PowerPoint in any of these courses, but they got so many
PP presentations that they decided to go through them, taking the best
from each presentation and provide the newly mastered presentation to
all of us to use if and as we so desired."
My experience with John, with whom I have worked closely on several projects
and who is now with Jamboree Division and no longer with BS Training, is
exactly the same.
Vice chair for program, Istrouma Area Council (former Training Chair, the
best job of all)
Southern Region Wood Badge Committee, Area 1 co-coordinator
Member, National Junior Leader Training Task Force
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