Seems to me, Charles, that the point revolves around the original query for help as asked by the first guy to post on the topic. He asked about his amas and related issues. He didn't ask about his narrow creek sailing canoe that might become it's own type of hood ornament in the right hands.
If the answers had stayed on topic, there'd be no mono-vs-multihull discussion whatsoever. It would simply be an expansive discussion on the merits of sailing one's canoe, however that might look in configuration.
The use of the Polynesian outrigger canoe in the discussion was for an historical example of legitimacy. In modern times, there are also plenty of examples of the type being more than adaptable, as well as ultimately powerful in their use.
And just for the benefit of those still reading along... an outrigger equipped canoe can be demounted with little effort and then converted into a base canoe for traversing those skinny little creeks as described by Charles. Take a look through the pages of Ben Algera's blog http://www.bensboats.blogspot.com/
There, you will see how he has utilized his XCR expedition sailing canoe in its sailing configuration with inflatable amas, along with his exploration of the headwaters of his nearby river-into-a-creek with the boat as a canoe hull only. Ben and his father also successfully completed the Everglades Challenge Ultra Marathon as the top finisher in their class... with the boat being paddled the entire way and not an ama, or sail rig visible on his boat. http://www.watertribe.com/Events/UltraMarathon/Default.aspx
Ben and his wife, Emily, are already signed-up to compete in the full, 300 mile Everglades Challenge in March 2011, with their boat configured with inflatable amas and a single sail rig.
The last Ultimate Florida Challenge event http://www.watertribe.com/Events/UltimateFloridaChallenge/Default.aspx
witnessed a solo canoe sailor, Mark Przedwojewski, who had equipped his boat with a sail rig and a professionally built set of amas, set a new record for the circumnavigation of Florida. http://www.watertribe.com/Events/RecordBook.aspx
This event included a 90 mile paddle upriver on the east side of Florida, a 40 mile portage and then a hundred plus mile paddle down river on the other side of the state. His rig and amas were stored in his boat the whole time he paddled. Sounds like a bit more than a hood ornament gesture to me.
I don't see a problem with this remarkable potential as it enhances the sailing canoe world by leaps and bounds. Those that see it differently are simply ignoring that which is already before them. By and large, I see these kinds of comments coming out of those who wish to cherish their trad sailing canoes while choosing to ignore the full potential of the entire sport. It would be really nice if a season could go past without one single piece of nonsense that looks to maintain the distance through poorly chosen comments.
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:22 AM, cecbell <cecbell@...>
Gentlemen, before this topic heads off, once again, into a multi- vs.
monohull discussion, I think we've lost sight of something. The Pacific
islands folk had enormous good reason for adding amas to their dugouts.
Without them they were likely next to useless in the sea conditions they
had to live with. For equally good reason, the peoples in my neck of the
woods, who brought their bark boats to a high degree of refinement,
would've found them totally out of place. How do you portage your boat
through a narrow path in the woods with something like that hanging off
the sides? How do you pole it through the narrow spots in the streams
they fished, hunted and traveled by?
I don't sail in those streams but I do have the same problem with space
in the access and even narrow channels of the places convenient to me
and where I like to sail. There are other spots with more primitive
access I want to try. Arguments about sail-carrying power and
performance differences are moot. Amas of any sort would just about kill
sailing in the places I want to go. At best they'd turn my canoe into a
catchy-looking lawn ornament. Well, that's an exaggeration but I'd have
to find different venues that are further away and not of enough
interest to warrant the extra construction, cost and inconvenience for
performance improvements that don't have a lot of meaning for my kind of
Seems to me the question of amas or not comes down to the question of
how big a boat can you afford to build, maintain and operate--and need.
Bigger boats carry more, have better stability and go faster. They also
cost more to build and maintain. And they're often the boat that gets
used less often due to the extra overhead of getting it ready to sail,
etc. My next canoe will be even smaller than the current one.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Chris Ostlind <lunadadesign@...>
> Why canoe magazines at all? They aren't really necessary. Nice for
> certainly not needed. ;-)
> Long before there were humans in North America, some interesting folks
> cruising around the islands of the Pacific with.... yep, you got it,
> had amas on their canoes. They sailed them, they fished from them,
> courted their brides in them and they migrated over millions of square
> of open ocean with them.
> Why amas, indeed.
> Just give Ed some room, folks. He gets like this every once in awhile.
> Chris Ostlind
> Lunada Design
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Edward Maurer <
> editor@... wrote:
> > Why amas at all? They really aren't necessary. Nice to have for some
> > but not needed.
> > Happy Sailing!
> > Ed