... Of course it s nice to think there s something better for people to do, but is there? Before oil and before oil peaked, most of the world was using bruteMessage 1 of 45 , Nov 1, 2008View SourceDavid Chase wrote:
> People are not necessarily cheap. I'd like to think that there is aOf course it's nice to think there's something better for people to do,
> better use for them than just providing the brute force to haul stuff
but is there? Before oil and before oil peaked, most of the world was
using brute force to haul things around. In third world countries,
that's still the main method. Brute force is also the main method for
plowing, hauling water, harvesting, and all the other activities that go
around farming for food. How many girls in Africa cannot go to school
because their families have decided that it is better for them to spend
their days hauling water? If they don't haul water, who will?
When I was growing up in Taiwan and Bangladesh, our taxis were pedicabs.
Those guys did nothing but haul people around--long enough distances
for 20 minutes to an hour or more and for only a 25 cents, if that. If
they could move up to a motorized pedicab (used in Taiwan for a few
years before transitioning to cars) or a baby taxi (3-wheeled grease
trap still common in Bangladesh and India) or even a regular 4-wheeled
taxi, they did. If they couldn't, then they used brute force until they
ran out of steam--rather like cart horses...
Unfortunately, with peak oil, people are probably going to return to
being the cheapest thing around--there's a lot of us and we all need
food, clothing, and housing. I'll never forget the story of the Russian
general who had his infantry march across a field of land mines because
people are cheaper and easier to replace than tanks.
The movie 'The Power of Community' about Cuba's experience with peak
oil, points out that each Cuban lost an average of 20 lbs. That's not
just because of food scarcity--they all went back to brute-force
transport: walking and riding bikes.
Hi Emily I tried to reply to your personal email to me, but it bounced as your IP blocked it...so here s my responce: I am aware of Michael Pollan s work, andMessage 45 of 45 , Nov 4, 2008View SourceHi EmilyI tried to reply to your personal email to me, but it bounced as your IP blocked it...so here's my responce:I am aware of Michael Pollan's work, and have explored a lot of similar ideas.
As a Permaculture gardener/designer/assistant teacher, I know the very best knowledge/wisdom lies with the remnants of indigenous cultures, and Permaculture's attempts to revive that knowledge. That our local indigenous people (Maori) are very interested in Permaculture, is a joy! As David Holmgren says (as one of the co-orignators of Permaculture) "all we're trying to do is get people back in touch with that peasant groundedness, that 'common sense' about how to live sustainably in place", and pass it on to future generations of all life in good condition!Horses will be part of the future mix for transport systems, as will oxen as seen in the Peak Oil doco "The Power Of Community"http://www.powerofcommunity.org/cm/index.php .....and of course bicycles, especially Xtracycles!I passed on some articles to a friend (see the links below) and he completely freaked out. He's now really keen it get his garden really firing, make sure his bicycles are functional, and I'm working on him to get involved with our local Transition Town group...community is the only real "solution"...we'll have pull togeather to survive.RegardsTedNelson, New Zealand
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