Your line of logic sounds like the denials of someone who is hoping to
convince themselves that they are right. You say that the Patriots did
As much as it pained me then, and still pains me. They DID in fact cheat.
> Allow me to state once and for all: The Patriots did not cheat, not
this season, nor any other. They have NEVER cheated. What they did
is something ALL teams do.
Well right off the bat you are trying to state something that at best
is not provable and on several counts is flat out wrong.
The reason you are wrong is that you can try to say that in the past
all teams grabbed signals. It might be true and it might not be true.
There are accusations aplenty that many if not all teams did it. There
are even accusations that other teams used video. But none of that
matters for one simple reason.
Prior to the beginning of the 2007 NFL season the league made darn
sure that all teams knew exactly what was and was not allowable. They
sent out memos. The sent our reminders.
So even if every team in every game of every year leading up to 2007
used video tape to steal signs, that is ok. Because the issue is with
the new law that was in place.
Prior to Prohibition you could drink all the alcohol you wanted. But
suddenly, one day the law was in effect that it was no longer legal to
do so. I am not saying it was right or wrong but it was the law that
was to be the same for everyone. And taking a drink of alcohol during
those years when it was illegal, was breaking the law. Some did it and
some drove cars in the hills of Tennessee to get it to the public
(later to become NASCAR). And when those people (and those bringing it
in from Canada) got caught many of them were convicted.
With that, there is no question that the Patriots video taping the
signals of the Jets coaches was illegal.
> The home team okays each piece of electronic equipment coming into
their stadium. They also have their own equipment, and opportunities
to use it. Just because somebody doesn't get caught doing something,
that doesn't mean they didn't do it.
It also does not mean that they did do it.
> I personally think they DO get caught often, but it doesn't get
reported to the league, kind of like a gentlemens agreement.
A mighty fine and factual point here. Again, are you refering to all
that went on up to the beginning of this season? If so, none of that
is admissible as the league drew a line in the sand before this
season, in a sense granting amnesty to all the acts that had or might
have gone on before. And given what happened to BB and the pats I
would be well surprised to find out that any coach or team was
arrogant or stupid enough to do it again. And given how demostrative
the NFL Comish's actions were and the statement made, that a team
wanting the other team to stop taping would have a hard time getting
them to stop without the league finding out about it.
And if no one minded having their signals stolen, why not just hold up
a big sign that read, "Will-blitz, Cover2"?
> There was NO Rams tape, that is a fabrication designed to smear the
Patriots reputation and I was shocked to see the Boston paper get
taken in by that one. How about some fact-checking? Are all the
stories in that paper as accurate as that one?
And you know that there is no tape because......
Because YOU destroyed it?
Again you are speaking from a position of certainty on something that
you believe and hope to be true. I hope and pray that there is no tape
of the Rams pre-SBXXVI walk through. Am I so sure. Not at all.
If this season has shown anything it is that BB is arrogant and does
what he wants. He will walk off the field with 1 second left on the
clock if he wants to, and he will tape the thing that the NFL
specifically told him not to do.
As Zip noted in another message, the discussion of his ways is for
As for the Newspaper... I hated that they broke this before the SB. It
seems that no one else had this on their radar. But what did they
really do wrong? They reported that one person is saying that it
happened. Now if they reported that they heard about a person who knew
someone whose dog-groomer dated a guy that had a video of some team I
But you are assuming that John Tomase did not check his source. What
he reported was that a person (and at this time is Tomase really
obliged to give the name?) had first hand knowledge of this incident.
> We should all stop buying that paper (the Herald) until they print a
retraction and apology. Turn-coats!
> As far as the officiating goes, I was surprised to learn that Mike
Carey is from Santa Clara, CA. I thought for sure he was from New York
or New Jersey. He sure seemed biased to me. You are right, it is
sickening from one eto the other, and the NFL needs to address all of
these issues at once. But they won't.
In fact there were penalties both ways that were not called. On the
opening kick off we should have been called for a facemask. But it
didn't get called. Was that as painful as not calling the holding on
the Giants at the end of the the game? No. But I am just showing that
there were in fact calls both ways. In the past I have always found
Mike Carey to be a professional and competent official. Certainly
better than most of those in the league. Would it have been nice to
seen the Giants called for the seemingly multiple infractions on that
pass completion to David Tyree? You bet. Would it have been nice to
see Josh McDaniels find a way to stop the Giants pass rush and get
Brady some time. Yes. And given the two, the latter was something more
in our control.
The Patriots were called for holding only 1 time and that was on
Watson 7 yards down field on a run by Faulk. In general it was clear
that holding was not something that was going to be called in this
game. But then again, it was basically seldom called throughout the
regular season for any team.
In the end, to blame the refs for this one is just pointless. The
unstoppable offense was held to 7 points until 3 minutes left in the game.