But will they? This is not the America of your father.
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [osint] RE: Juvenile Arson and California Fires
People need to take matters into their own hands, post fire watches, and
make citizens arrests of arsonists at gunpoint if necessary.
If a hundred people patrolling can find and extinguish, or even just call in
fires early, then the threat can be lessened.
This is a matter of their own personal safety, and highly recommended, as a
"community watch" exercise.
They should be prepared to confront and hold suspects, (always work in
pairs) take their pictures/ evidence pictures on the spot, and relay this
information to fire and law enforcement as quickly as possible.
This is their lives and property being threatened, and drastic measures are
Everything I've mentioned is legal, and people need to step up to the plate
Yeah, ONE fire. One fire. A single blaze, and this is ALL you hear about,
wall-to-wall. Gets even better. The kid is alleged to be very small,
probably around 6 years old. Ok,, so why weren't his parents aware of this
while it happened, and why didn't they immediately come forward? Has
anybody identified the boy, the family, their ethnicity or their religion?
Nope, because he is a minor. Could be wrong but I have a sneaking
suspicion that it will turn out that the kid didn't do this alone or was put
up to it--IF he even did it. When the investigators come, what are they
going to do? Jail the kid? Nope. If it was adult, sure, so that's why a
kid is put up to it. He can't be prosecuted or, if somebody really does
push it, he's not going to get a severe sentence like an adult would.
Besides, this was one of the smallest of all of the fires. Just because one
kid does something stupid, or there is an accident, it doesn't mean that
others were as well. It seems like people are anxious to find things like
this so they can do everything to avoid tagging arsonists or terrorists as
the main worry.
Ok, fine, have it your way, media and government officials. Meanwhile, go
ahead and move all of your air assets down to SoCal and make a big noise
about how you will jump on any new fires here. The same thing was done in
2003 when we had had fires in the LA area and firefighters were drawn away
from San Diego. As soon as that was announced, whoosh, fires brought like
crazy there. Well, the same pattern is developing. At 1:00 PM this
afternoon, there was no fire activity on the US Forest Service maps for all
of southern California or the Central Valley. After more statements were
made about assets being piled into San Diego to protect against projected
Santa Ana winds this weekend, at 3 PM, a rash of red dots popped up like a
measles outbreak all throughout the Central Valley foothills of the Sierra
Nevada from Bakersfield in the south to Yuba City north of Sacramento. By 5
PM, those red dots were multiplying rapidly. It is likely that a new rash
of fires is beginning, and they are not all started by six-year-olds with
matches, folks. If my hunch is right, we are in for another hell of a
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See......... it was't terrorism!!
http://www.simplydu mb.com/2007/ 10/31/juvenile-
arson-and- california- fires/
Juvenile Arson and California Fires
by Ariel on October 31st, 2007
One California Fire Started by Dumb Kid
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by-kid.jpg> We've been hearing quite a lot in the news recently about how
top officials are suspecting that arsonists started many of the blazes that
turned into the enormous California wildfires which have forced thousands of
people from their homes and caused untold amounts of environmental and
property damage near Los Angeles.
Needless to say and certainly with good reason people are really pissed off.
The bellicose language employed by the Governator himself, Arnold
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, almost even parallels the "with us or against us" rhetoric of the war on
terrorism. But how do Arnie's threats to "hunt down and punish" those
responsible come to bear when the arsonist is a stupid kid.
That's right, you didn't misread, according to the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department, one of the major fires was started by some idiot
little boy playing with matches. The fire he caused in the Buckweed area
destroyed 21 homes and burned over 38,000 acres.
Somehow I don't think sending him to his room without dessert is going to
A boy playing with matches started a Southern California wildfire that
scorched more than 38,000 acres, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
A firefighter talks on a radio while battling the Buckweed blaze on October
The Buckweed Fire, which destroyed 21 homes on its rampage, began October 21
in the Agua Dulce community.
The next day authorities identified the boy as a suspect, according to a
report issued by the sheriff's department.
"After talking with the suspect, he admitted playing with matches and
starting the fire," the report said.
The boy, whose name and age were not given, is home with his parents, police
said. The case will be presented to the Los Angeles County district attorney
for possible charges.
According to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, the
Buckweed Fire burned 38,526 acres.
Sixty-three structures, 21 of them homes, were destroyed, and three
civilians and two firefighters were injured.
The sheriff's department said the fire forced the evacuation of about 15,000
As of Tuesday, 18 of 23 wildfires in Southern California were completely
under control, and the remainder were at least 70 percent contained,
according to the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.
The fires are blamed for 14 deaths and charred more than 508,000 acres,
destroying about 1,600 homes.
Five people were arrested in arson probes last week, and California Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger on Saturday vowed to "hunt down" people responsible
for setting wildfires.
Authorities said Saturday they were following 1,700 tips about a white Ford
F-150 pickup seen near the origin of the sprawling Santiago Fire in Orange
Witnesses reported seeing the 1998-2004 model truck with chrome tubular
running boards on Santiago Canyon Road on October 21 at about the time the
Santiago Fire started.
Authorities said last week they had found evidence at the scene, although
they declined to describe it.
"If I were one of the people who started the fires, I would not sleep
soundly right now, because we're right behind you," Schwarzenegger said,
urging the culprits to turn themselves in.
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