Some of you will just delete this, and go right ahead. Most of you
have better things to do with your life, family, work, which is all
As far as myself, I'm busy, work, family, and at the same time, still
trying to understand what is going on with our true church, the
Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCA) (ROCOR).
A few years back, we had a wave of terrible happenings, things that
we either accepted or not. I looked at them, as signs of what is to
be. (it's easy for me to say this now, I guess)
Just a few tidbits to recall on ROCA ROCOR:
-Our Montreal RO Church being burned down
-Brother Jose and His Miraculous Myhr Crying Icon, Jose Murdered, the
Icon Missing (or is it?)
-Our Monastery in Hebron, switched over to the hands of the "MP" (#1)
-Our Monastery in Jericho, switched over to the hands of the "MP" (#2)
-Metropolitan Vitaly, suppossedly a sick man, had to retire, didn't
think right, suppossedly drugged by secretary (mind you I look at the
pope of the catholic church and wonder how wonderful his health is
and remains in position).
What is going on really?
What truly is happening?
About 20 years ago, we were thinking that someday our two churches
might unite, but not under the red church, for we were the white
Glasnosts, Perestroika, all of us were amazed at what is happening,
and then the opportunity to celebrate Russia's Orthodox Birthday in
1988... fr. Kisselov who raised alot of money, helped organize the
event, and behind his parishioners backs in 1989, decided to sell the
church, take the profits and run to Russia, when the iron curtain
came down. He fled the church as well. The family split up. One of
his grandsons, became a priest almost overnight, but who doesn't
reveal himself to his coworkers that he's a practicing priest. For
heavens sake, it would be embarassing.
Yes, some of us used to say, "when the iron curtain comes down, We
will be the first to move there and build (or) bring back Russia" I
think we all had the spirit in us.
Some of us made that journey, others, well, just adapted to our new
lives. We had our new jobs, new studies, new families, new life.
How many of us have visited Russia? For that matter, had the
opportunity to go to the churches. Yes, the Churches are definitely
being put back up, old ones repaired, new ones replacing the old
churches devastated during the soviet regime.
Yes, The Russians are going back to Church services, in waves. You
can hear the church bells ring on sundays and holidays. But to expect
the same type of church services, or the priest to parisioner
friendlines, is still far and wide.
Most of us today, in the normal world, only wonder, or listen, what
our priests tell us at the church services, that "perhaps" it is the
time to re-unite. Others don't want to start any havoc, and if the
parisioners are questioning it, then no such "propovedi" are usually
So the question is, should our two churches, if not three now, unite?
Yet, just less than two years ago, when metropolitan Vitaly was
Outsed (Retired) becuase he agreed that he is retiring, and others
looked at him that he's a sick man, and then Laurus became our
metropolitan, almost overnight, at that time, there was a word out
that "there is no talk about any reunification between our two
churches, that is, it is not going to happen in the near future. All
is rumors, and all that is being said is to ruin our True Church."
Alot of people still believe that, that our churches will not unite
in the near future. Others really don't care, or don't see the
difference, while others are stating, well, we were only a temporary
church, others would add, well, once the patriarchate starts taking
measures, only then we should consider uniting (and which alexei 2
has taken some measures, such as canonising the royal family and the
martyrs, though, they were buried inside one of the churches too).
So, if we were so apart from the OCA in America, and now we want to
unite with the MP, what will ahappen between us and OCA? Yet they and
us never got along, right? Thats even besides the MP.
Sure, some of our priests, often wanted to re-unite with the OCA or
the MP, so many years, and truly, there were delegations being sent,
or by their own interests, traveling to moscow, and meeting with the
MP (I love it, MP, Military police)...
What about Hebron and Jericho? Interesting, we forget easily the
facts, the church property was seized from underneath our hands. The
MP had a quiet agreement with Arafat, to take the churches away from
us. Mother Julianna, locked herself for the longest time to protect
and use her brothers connections to the white house, to return back
the church property to our ROCA church. (God Bless Her)
Well, if the MP really wanted to unite, would this be the best route?
(mind you this just happened a few years back)
I don't see why our met. laurus has to meet the president of russia,
Mr. Putin, (Who I truly admire, and understand his actions) why out
of the blue, all this is being done at almost warp speed.
Who's archbishop Mark fom berlin? an ex protestant, who has been
carrying out alot of the talks... Other synod figures who act as
priests, but don't show themselves as priests in the streets.
What truly is going on? Are we all insane? Am I insane? Am I
overreacting to something that should be, and I should not stir
Probably I should remain quiet, most of you probably didn't even read
this. I'm just doing what i thought was right, to bring this up. Most
of us don't know or don't care. Everyone is for it.
Here are a few articles in english and in russian on the happenings
between the meeting in nyc yesterday, and some articles on the
unification subject, how both sides want to unite.
ïî ïîâîäó âñòðå÷è ìèòðîïîëèòà Ëàâðà, Ïåðâîèåðàðõà Ðóññêîé
Ïðàâîñëàâíîé Öåðêâè çàãðàíèöåé è ÷ëåíîâ Àðõèðåéñêîãî Ñèíîäà ñ
Ïðåçèäåíòîì Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè Â.Â. Ïóòèíûì
on the Meeting of Metropolitan Laurus, First Hierarch of the Russian
Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, Members of the Synod of Bishops
and President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir V. Putin
Moscow Patriarchy hopes for reunion with
Russian Orthodox Church Abroad
ÂËÀÄÈÌÈÐ ÏÓÒÈÍ ÂÑÒÐÅÒÈËÑß Ñ ÈÅÐÀÐÕÀÌÈ
ÐÓÑÑÊÎÉ ÇÀÐÓÁÅÆÍÎÉ ÖÅÐÊÂÈ (notice peter holodny)
Russian Orthodox Church hopes to end decades-old schism
Putin: Russia returns to family of civilized nations
Russian President meets hierarchs of
Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia
Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí âûñòóïèò íà ñåññèè
Ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèè Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí âûñòóïèò
Ïóòèí â Íüþ-Éîðêå. Äåíü ïåðâûé
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