> >From: Father Maximos <mga@...>
>>Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] roca clergy list
>>I think this might be an interesting group to look at as well:
>Feel free to do so.
Here is the " mpny" manifesto, for those who might be interested. A
few questions come to mind.
>This is a discussion group for members of the Russian Orthodox
>Church Outside of Russia who are concerned about the direction that
>certain people within her are taking towards the Sergianists and
Who are " these certain people" ? A list of them might be helpful to
those who are opposed to such things as Sergianism and Ecumenism,
since these are dangerous heresies.
>There are some basic premises to this list: 1) The pro-MP line does
>*not* represent the true voice of ROCOR; 2) The problems represented
>by these pro-MP people can be overcome and ROCOR will continue to
>exist as a witness to Traditional Orthodoxy.
Who does represent the " true voice " of ROCOR? I assume you must
mean our Bishops, unless you are accusing them of some heresy.
>The latter is an important point, because we have seen some who
>rightly decry the trend of some in our Synod turning to the Greek
>True Orthodox Churches for sanctuary. We do not condemn these clergy
>and laity for doing so, and we recognize the Greek True Orthodox
>Churches as our brothers in the keeping of Traditional Orthodoxy.
>But it is our position that we are members of the Russian Orthodox
>Church Outside of Russia. We love the Russian Church and the
>spiritual and national treasures and traditions she lives, and more
>importantly we recognize the historical primacy in the lands of the
>Russian Diaspora of the Russian Church whose faithful continuation
>ROCOR is. For these reasons and others we will not leave ROCOR. This
>is *our* Synod, not that of the Pro-MP faction. We will fight for
"This is *our* Synod, not that of the Pro-MP faction."
This comment demands some clarification I think. What must one do to
be considered a member of this " Pro-MP faction"? I assume the " our
" in this sentence refers to the " Anti-MP faction" or is it the mpny
group? Or are the two identical? How will you fight for it? What
exactly will you do?
Now, since you identify your opponents as the " Pro-MP faction" and
you are therefore the " Anti-MP faction" how do you reconcile this in
face of the XVIII'th Canon of the Fourth Ecumenical Council , which
" The crime of conspiracy, or of faction (i.e. factious partisanship)
already prohibited by secular law, ought still more to be forbidden
to obtain in the Church of God. If, therefore, there be any
Clergymen, or Monastics to be conspiring or to be engaged in
factiousness of any kind, or hatching plots against Bishops or Fellow
Clergymen, they shall forfeit their own rank altogether"
I am not accusing you of such a crime against the good order of
Christ's Holy Church, since of course I don't know what is actually
being said on this mpny list. Which begs the question of why it is
not being made public. Why would you wish to keep your fellow
clergymen from being able to discuss the matters which pertain to the
health and well-being of the Church? It seems to suggest that you
lack trust in your brethren. Vladyka Laurus recently wrote to us
>Truth must not be encroached upon or belittled to please any
>ideological party. Every attempt to apply such pressure is, in and
>of itself, an anticonciliar action directed against the foundations
>of our Church, and is destructive to the very order of the Church.
I think this is wise advice from a respected and experienced Hierarch.
>Membership is dependent on a present member sponsoring you.
>Continued membership is dependent on your respect of our privacy --
>none of our personal correspondences (other than news or scripture
>or articles of general interest coming from other sources) may be
>shared or forwarded or discussed with nonmembers. Any report of a
>violation will result in a warning. If continued, it will rsult in
>the removal of the member from this list. Those removed may, of
>course, appeal to the Moderator for reinstatment to the List. Please
>bear in mind that this is for *everyone's* protection.
This last section is the most disturbing. Nothing may be " shared or
forwarded or discussed with nonmembers" Not even discussed? Can one
divulge if one is a member of this list? Since the list is not
advertised or listed in the egroups index, the very existence of the
list was secret. These rules of complete secrecy are surely for
*everyone's* protection, but protection from what? I assume when you
say *everyone* you also mean those amongst us so unfortunate as not
to be a member of the mpny society. I would like to join, would you
sponsor me? Or perhaps you could provide a list of member so I could
approach one of them to sponsor me.
the sinful monk
Russian Orthodox Church Abroad