For the high priest we have [Jesus] is not incapable of feeling our weaknesses with us, but has been put to the test in exactly the same way as ourselves,Message 1 of 6 , Jul 6, 2000View Source"For the high priest we have [Jesus] is not incapable of feeling our
weaknesses with us, but has been put to the test in exactly the same way
as ourselves, apart from sin. Let us, then, have no fear in approaching
the throne of grace to receive mercy and to find grace when we are in
need of help. "-Hebrews 4:15-16.
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Why? ... http://www.egroups.com/group/orthodox-synodMessage 2 of 6 , Jul 6, 2000View SourceWhy?
> But I'd like to see what kind of comments y'all have onhttp://www.egroups.com/group/orthodox-synod
> how the Incarnation is viewed in popular culture, and I
> have two examples. The first basically denies (or seems
> ignorant of) the Incarnation; the second implies that it
> doesn't matter. Both represent heretical views; I know
> that. But I'd like to know if anyone has any insights
> beyond pointing out the heretical nature of these views.
> and the saints and all the prophets?
> The second is "Memnoch the Devil," by Anne Rice.
> Understand that this novel denies the full humanity
> of our Savior. She has Him say:
> "I am God Incarnate. How could I have a human soul?
> What is important is that I will remain in this body as
> it is tortured and slain; and my death will be evidence
> of my Love for those whom I have created and allowed
> to suffer so much. I will share their pain and know their
> He also says that at times He even allowed Himself to
> forget He was God, but at the time He has this conversation
> with the devil, He's fully aware of His divinity:
> "You've known all along that you were God. You mentioned
> times when you thought you were mad or almost forgot,
> but those were brief! Too brief! And now as you plot your
> death, you know Who you are and you won't forget it, will you?"
> "No, I won't. I must be the Son of God Incarnate to fulfill my
> ministry, to work my miracles, of course. That's the whole
> "Then, Lord, you don't know what it means to be flesh!"
> * * * * * * *
> Patrick Barrett
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In a message dated 7/6/2000 9:28:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@example.com writes: Because I m curious to see if anybody else s opinionMessage 3 of 6 , Jul 6, 2000View SourceIn a message dated 7/6/2000 9:28:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<< Why? >>
Because I'm curious to see if anybody else's opinion
agrees with mine. I think these examples reveal a
debased view of humanity.
C.G. Jung said, "About a third of my cases are suffering
from no clinically definable neurosis, but from the
senselessness and emptiness of their lives. It seems
to me, however, that this can well be described as the
general neurosis of our time."
These examples of popular culture seem to me to
indicate that this "general neurosis of our time" has
become so widespread that some people now see
it as a given of the human condition. There can be
no Incarnation because without this senselessness,
without despair, one can't be fully human. I think
it's rather shocking if our culture has become so
debased that we now see this kind of senselessness
and emptiness as normal.
The lyrics, "What if God was ... just a slob like one
of us" reveal, it seems to me, a lot about how we
look at ourselves and the world.
I was wondering if anyone else had the same
My maternal grandfather was a mine superintendent. In those days, the superintendent was Father Figure, as well as employer. Once, and I only know this storyMessage 4 of 6 , Jul 9, 2000View SourceMy maternal grandfather was a mine superintendent. In those days, the
superintendent was Father Figure, as well as employer.
Once, and I only know this story via word-of-mouth, via my mother, one of
the men came running to my grandfather and said to him: "Some quickly, my
son is bleeding to death."
My grandfather paused for a moment and said: "Go home, the bleeding has
Was it a miracle?
I was supposed to believe it was. How else could one explain such a thing?
Hence, it is not necessarily for one to God Incarnate to do such things. One
has only to believe.
As Jesus said: "Greater things than these shall you do."
But, all the more reason to suppose that one who is flesh and blood can, in
fact, know what it is like to do such things, and NOT be God.