I was at the Manhattan Inst at the Harvard Club where Chester Finn appeared with Diane Ravitch introducing him this past Thurs and asked a 2 part questionMessage 1 of 1 , Mar 1, 2008View SourceI was at the Manhattan Inst at the Harvard Club where Chester Finn appeared with Diane Ravitch introducing him this past Thurs and asked a 2 part question (with just a little embelishment.) Basically I dropped a Richard Rothstein on him.
1. Are you claiming that if every child in America attended a KIPP school every one would become middle class and go on th college? He admitted that wouldn't happen but that 70% would which many dispute. I pointed out that in my school about 30-40% of the kids were doing ok and as Rothstein pointed out these are often the kids that end up at KIPP, not the 60% who are the most difficult to teach. I didn't get a chance to drop Rothstein 2 on him (Check wonderful Rothstein's Response to Chester Finn which can be found at)
2. Part 2: Given that you have a close relationship with Diane Ravitch and her criticisms of the so-called reforms instituted in NYC, where do you stand on the impementation of so many of the ideas you espouse in NYC?
Finn saying he was not based in NYC said he would defer to Diane's judgment (can we take this as a slam at BloomKlein?). But if asked about Washington DC whose Klein Klone Michelle Rhee is running the schools and whom he praised on Thursday he could make a more informed comment. If Finn is deferring to Diane on NYC, and we know that RHee is functioning along the same lines, then, excuse my math, can we assume if a=b and b=c, then a=c?
What was clear is that Finn is setting up an excuse for Rhee's failure by talking about the special interests like the union and others. Like there are no special interests on their side?
Thanks to Diane for making me feel comfortable in what can be an intimidatign pro-corporaet environment (one guy told me afer he mananged Milton Friedman's money for years - since the buisness community thinks they can run school systems better than educators I was going to ask if I could manage some of their hedge funds in return.)
If you go on Marc. 25,
Men - Make sure to wear a jacket and tie - the Princeton Club seems to have a dress code and I had to use one of their ties once.
Wow! Klein, Rhee and Paul Vallas, just completing ruining his third urban school system.
Let's have a party.
In a message dated 3/1/08 12:25:41 PM, leonie@... writes:
I hope every parent on this list serv who has views about what Mayoral control has led to here in NYC registers for this event asap.
We should all attend try to counter these ridiculously unbalanced panels that will surely be trumpeting all the supposed virtues of Mayoral control – as well as to provide some counterweight to those in the audience who tend to be conservative business people whose own kids attend private schools or to well-financed schools in the suburbs, with all their usual attributes (including small classes) which this administration has done everything they can to deny to students attending the city’s public schools.
Come on, guys –
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Subject: Tues., March 25; Education Conf.; Klein, Payzant, Rhee, Vallas, Wong, Winters, Tues., Ma, Fliegel, Ravitch, Williams, Steiner; Mayoral Control
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