Here´s my translation Kveðja Alan Flosi tók lítt á þeirra ferð og kvað þó eigi víst um hvort (hvárt) hér næmi (nema, subj) staðar Flósi tookOct 30, 2009 1 of 2View Source
Njall 151 end + 152 beginning / Alan's Translation
Here´s my translation
Flosi tók lítt á þeirra ferð og kvað þó eigi víst um hvort (hvárt) hér næmi (nema, subj) staðar
Flósi took their conduct (see taka lítt á, Z12) ill (?) (*MM&HP render it took little concern, see taka lítinn af e-u) and declared still not to know about whether (it) would end (see nema staðar, under nema, Z1) here
"er Kári engum manni líkur þeim (masc dat sg, agrees with manni) sem nú er á Íslandi."
’Kári is like to no man, that-one who now is in Iceland. (no man in Iceland is Kári’s equal)’
Nú er að segja frá Birni og Kára að þeir ríða á sand og leiða hesta sína
Now (one) is to say about Björn and Kári that they ride to (the) Sand and lead their horses
undir melbakka og skáru (skera) fyrir þá melinn að þeir dæju eigi af sulti. Kári
under a lyme-grass-covered-bank and cut for them the lyme-grass (so) that they (would) not die from hunger. Kári
varð svo nærgætur að hann reið þegar í braut er þeir hættu leitinni. Hann
became so near-(the)-truth-guessing that he rode at-once away (just at the moment ) when they abandoned the search. He
reið um nóttina upp eftir héraðinu og síðan á fjall og svo alla hina sömu
rode during the night up along the district and after-that to (the) mountains and so all the same
leið sem þeir riðu austur og léttu eigi fyrr en þeir komu í Mið-Mörk.
way as they rode east and (they) stopped not before they came in Mið-Mörk (Middle-Forest).
Björn mælti þá til Kára: "Nú skalt þú vera vin minn mikill fyrir húsfreyju
Björn spoke then to Kári: ‘Now you shall be my great friend before before (in the presence of?) my wife
minni því að hún mun engu orði (note: neut dat sg) trúa því er eg segi en mér liggur hér nú allt
because she will believe in no word, that which I say but (and) everything now lies (depends) on (it) for me.
við. Launa þú mér nú góða fylgd er eg hefi þér veitta."
Repay (you) me now for (the) good companionship which I have given to you.’
"Svo skal vera," segir Kári.
’(It) shall be so,’ says Kári.
Síðan riðu þeir heim á bæinn. Húsfreyja spurði (asked I thinks fits better here, given Björns answer) þá tíðinda og fagnaði þeim vel.
After-that they ride home to (the) farm. (His) wife asked then (the) tidings and received them well.
Björn svaraði: "Aukist hafa heldur vandræðin kerling."
Björn answered: (The) troubles have rather increased, wife (see kerling, Z1)’
Hún svarar fá og brosti að. Húsfreyja mælti þá: "Hversu gafst Björn þér Kári?"
She answers little and smiles at (him). (His) wife spoke then: ’How has Björn given (proven)-himself to you, Kári?’
Hann svarar: "Ber (berr, adj) er hver (hverr) að baki nema sér bróður eigi og gafst Björn mér
He answers:’Bare (exposed) is each (man) at (his) back unless to himself (he should) have a brother and Björn has given-(proven) himself to me well.
vel. Hann vann á þremur mönnum en hann er þó sár sjálfur. Og var hann mér
He did-bodily-injury to (see vinna á e-m, Z12) three men but he is neverthess injured himself. And he was to me
hinn hallkvæmasti (haldkvæmr) í öllu því er hann mátti."
the most-useful in all that which he could.’
Þar voru þeir þrjár nætur. Síðan riðu þeir í Holt til Þorgeirs og sögðu
They were there three nights. After-that they rode into Holt to Þorgeir and said
honum einum saman tíðindin því að þangað höfðu eigi spurst (spyrjast) tíðindin (subject of sentence) fyrr.
to him all-alone the tidings because thither the tidings had not been-heard (spyrjast, Z5) before .
Þorgeir þakkaði Kára og fannst það á að hann varð þessu feginn. Hann spurði
Þorgeir thanked Kári and that could-be-perceived that he became glad of this. He asked
Kára að hvað þá væri óunnið það er hann ætlaði að vinna.
Kári about (see spyrja at, Z3) what then were (still) unaccomplished that he intended to accomplish.
Kári svarar: "Drepa ætla eg Gunnar Lambason og Kol Þorsteinsson ef færi
Kári answers: ‘I intend to kill Gunnar Lambi’s-son and Kol Þorstein’s-son if oppertunity
gefur á. Höfum við þá drepið fimmtán menn með þeim fimm er við drápum báðir
knocks. We (will) have then killed fifteen men with those five who we both together killed
saman en þó vil eg nú biðja þig bænar," segir Kári.
but still I want now to ask of you a request,’ says Kári.
Þorgeir kvaðst veita honum mundu það er hann beiddi (beiða).
Þorgeir declared-of-himself (that he) would grant him that which he asked
At 5:29:38 AM on Friday, October 30, 2009, AThompson wrote: I ve added Grace s translations below yours. ... Here Grace has it right: must beOct 31, 2009 1 of 2View SourceAt 5:29:38 AM on Friday, October 30, 2009, AThompson wrote:
I've added Grace's translations below yours.
> Flosi tók lítt á þeirra ferð og kvað þó eigi víst um hvortHere Grace has it right: <víst> must be 'certain'.
> (hvárt) hér næmi (nema, subj) staðar "er Kári engum manni
> líkur þeim (masc dat sg, agrees with manni) sem nú er á
> Flósi took their conduct (see taka lítt á, Z12) ill (?)
> (*MM&HP render it took little concern, see taka lítinn af
> e-u) and declared still not to know
> about whether (it) would end (see nema staðar, under nema,Pretty much; Zoëga s.v. <líkr> has <Kári er øngum manni
> Z1) here "Kári is like to no man, that-one who now is in
> Iceland. (no man in Iceland is Kári's equal)?
l[íkr]> 'K. has no match'. Fairly literally it seems to be
'K. is like no man who is now in Iceland'.
> Flosi made little of their journey and said still (it was)Note that <er> is singular; that makes it unlikely that
> not certain whether here (the feud would) stop " since
> Kari is like no man of them who are now on Island."
<þeim> is 'them' rather than 'that one, him'.
I've been thinking about the first clause. The idiom in
Zoëga is <taka lítt á e-u>, with the dative, while <ferð>
here is an accusative. This may or may not be significant
-- some expressions seem to allow both cases with little or
no change in sense -- but <þó> 'nevertheless' definitely
makes much more sense if Flosi's reaction was relative
indifference or unconcern than it does if he was put out, as
does his comment. As for <ferð>, I've seen a few instances
in which it appeared to mean not just a journey but the
events of the journey, a sense that would be appropropriate
here. I'm inclined to go with something like Grace's
For what it's worth, most of the translations that I've
found render it here as 'showed little concern', 'said
little about', etc. (E.g., from an old nynorsk translation:
<Flose sa ikkje mykje um ferdi deira, men sa det var ikkje
visst, um det var slutt med dessa>.)
> Nú er að segja frá Birni og Kára að þeir ríða á sandI don't think that it's possible to tell whether <sand> here
> Now (one) is to say about Björn and Kári that they ride to
> (the) Sand
> Now is to tell of Bjorn and Kari that they ride to sand
is a minor place-name or purely descriptive. I'm not even
sure that it's possible to tell whether it's 'seashore' or
'glacial outwash plain' (as for instance at Skeiðarársandr).
Even though <sand> is singular, the MM&HP solution ('rode
out to the sands') seems to have the right flavor.
> Kári varð svo nærgætur að hann reið þegar í braut er þeir'Became' doesn't really work in English; 'turned out to be'
> hættu leitinni.
> Kári became so near-(the)-truth-guessing that he rode
> at-once away (just at the moment ) when they abandoned the
> Kari happened to guess so near the truth that he rode away
> at once when they ceased the search.
has about the right sense, I think. Grace's 'happened to'
also seems possible (cf. Zoëga's <þeim varð litit til hafs>
'they happened to look seaward').
> Björn mælti þá til Kára: "Nú skalt þú vera vin minn mikillThat's how I read it.
> fyrir húsfreyju minni því að hún mun engu orði (note: neut
> dat sg) trúa því er eg segi en mér liggur hér nú allt við.
> Björn spoke then to Kári: 'Now you shall be my great
> friend before before (in the presence of?)
> my wife because she will believe in no word, that which IBoth versions convey the basic sense, but both of the
> say but (and) everything now lies (depends) on (it) for
> Bjorn spoke then to Kari, "Now you shall be my great
> friend before my wife because she will believe no words
> when I say them and here everything rests on (you) for me.
'virtual pronouns' can be avoided if we translate <liggja
við> as 'to lie at stake, to be at stake': 'everything is
now at stake for me here'.
> Launa þú mér nú góða fylgd er eg hefi þér veitta."Alan's got this one right. See CV s.v. <launa>: 'to reward,
> Repay (you) me now for (the) good companionship which I
> have given to you.'
> You repay me now with good help since I have helped you."
with dat. of the person, acc. of the thing for which the
reward is given, but dat. of the gift itself'. <Goða fylgð>
is fem. sing. acc., so it must be the thing for which the
reward is given, not the reward itself.
> Húsfreyja spurði (asked I thinks fits better here, givenIndeed; <spyrja tíðenda> is something of a set phrase, 'to
> Björns answer) þá tíðinda og fagnaði þeim vel.
> Björn svaraði: "Aukist hafa heldur vandræðin kerling."You might be amused: I just discovered that in modern
> Björn answered: (The) troubles have rather increased, wife
> (see kerling, Z1)'
> Bjorn answered, "The difficulties have rather increased,
> old woman (now that's the way to charm her!)"
Icelandic <fleyta kerlingar>, literally 'to float old
women', is 'to skip stones' ('to skim stones' in the UK), a
pastime once known as 'making/playing ducks and drakes'.
> Hún svarar fá og brosti að.<N. brosti at ok mælti>, with no explicit object of <at>,
> She answers little and smiles at (him).
> She answers little and smiled at (that).
seems to be a fairly common expression; I'm inclined to
think that it might be best to leave it at 'and smiled',
leaving the object ambiguous.