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• Hi, I would like a few opinions on the definition of the nugget effect . The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the vertical (gamma)
Message 1 of 5 , Jun 7, 2005
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Hi,

I would like a few opinions on the definition of the “nugget effect”.

The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the vertical (gamma) axis on a variogram plot is often called the “nugget effect”. I have however, seen this definition being described as erroneous, and that this value is actually the “nugget variance”.

The “nugget effect” is described as the ratio of the random component of grade variation to the spatial component of grade variation, or in other words (assuming a model with 3 nested structures):

Nugget Effect = C0 / C1+C2+C3

Does anyone have any comments regarding this?

Regards,

Colin

•   Dear list and Sir, This is the first time I am reading this definition. Till now the books which i have read as student describes the original definition of
Message 1 of 5 , Jun 8, 2005
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Dear list and Sir,
This is the first time I am reading this definition. Till now the books which i have read as student describes the original definition of nugget effect as
The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the
vertical (gamma) axis on a variogram plot.
Is it possible to get the reference showing the so told definition of nugget variance?
Regards
Tanvi

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 Colin Badenhorst wrote :

>Hi,
>
>
>
>I would like a few opinions on the definition of the "nugget effect".
>
>
>
>The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the
>vertical (gamma) axis on a variogram plot is often called the "nugget
>effect". I have however, seen this definition being described as
>erroneous, and that this value is actually the "nugget variance".
>
>
>
>The "nugget effect" is described as the ratio of the random component of
>grade variation to the spatial component of grade variation, or in other
>words (assuming a model with 3 nested structures):
>
>
>
>Nugget Effect = C0 / C1+C2+C3
>
>
>
>Does anyone have any comments regarding this?
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Colin
>
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Ms.Tanvi Arora
SRF (CSIR)
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National Geophysical Research Institute
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• Hello Tanvi, The reference is: MINERAL DEPOSIT EVALUATION by Alwyn E Annels. Regards, Colin ________________________________ From: Tanvi Arora
Message 1 of 5 , Jun 8, 2005
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Hello Tanvi,

The reference is: MINERAL DEPOSIT EVALUATION by Alwyn E Annels.

Regards,

Colin

From: Tanvi Arora [mailto:tanvi_ngri@...]
Sent: 08 June 2005 10:14
Cc: ai-geostats@...
Subject: Re: [ai-geostats] Definition of Nugget Effect

Dear list and Sir,
This is the first time I am reading this definition. Till now the books which i have read as student describes the original definition of nugget effect as
The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the
vertical (gamma) axis on a variogram plot.
Is it possible to get the reference showing the so told definition of nugget variance?
Regards
Tanvi

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 Colin Badenhorst wrote :

>Hi,
>
>
>
>I would like a few opinions on the definition of the "nugget
effect".
>
>
>
>The value at the point at which a variogram model intersects the
>vertical (gamma) axis on a variogram plot is often called the "nugget
>effect". I have however, seen this definition being described as
>erroneous, and that this value is actually the "nugget variance".
>
>
>
>The "nugget effect" is described as the ratio of the random
component of
>grade variation to the spatial component of grade variation, or in other
>words (assuming a model with 3 nested structures):
>
>
>
>Nugget Effect = C0 / C1+C2+C3
>
>
>
>Does anyone have any comments regarding this?
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Colin
>
>* By using the ai-geostats mailing list you agree to follow its rules
>( see http://www.ai-geostats.org/help_ai-geostats.htm )
>
>* To unsubscribe to ai-geostats, send the following in the subject or in
the body (plain text format) of an email message to sympa@...
>
>Signoff ai-geostats

Ms.Tanvi Arora
SRF (CSIR)
Post Box# 77
Indo-French Centre for Groundwater Research
National Geophysical Research Institute
Ph: +91 40 23434681
Fax: +91 40 23434651 & 23434657
email: aroratanvi2@...
websites: www.ifcgr.org

• Colin Alwyn is a graduate of the Leeds University programme in geostatistics. Bon Royle, who was the first in the UK to go to Fontainebleau and learn
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Colin

Alwyn is a graduate of the Leeds University programme in geostatistics. Bon Royle, who was the first in the UK to go to Fontainebleau and learn geostatistics, coined the term "nugget variance" for the nugget effect. He also used the notation "N" for nugget effect unlike the more general notation of C_sub_zero.

Whatever you call it, it represents the micro-scale variation which cannot be predicted at the current scale of your sampling. Since we use a semi-variogram, it is one-half of the variance between two samples at almost exactly the same location.

Geostatistics schools differ on what to do at exactly zero distance (and software packages reflect this). Some schools (e.g. Stanford) insist that nugget effect is due solely to sampling error and use the nugget semi-variance at zero distance. Others say that the nugget effect is micro-scale (even microscopic scale) and use it everywhere except at zero distance. At zero the semi-variance is set to zero. A good question to ask your software vendor is "what does your software do with the semi-variogram (or covarianc) at zero distance".

Reality is somewhere in between, but I do not know any software which allows you to allocate some of the nugget effect at zero. Of course, you can always get round this by adding a component with a very short range of influence.

Isobel

http://geoecosse.bizland.com
• Hi Isobel, Thanks - that s the answer I am looking for. To illustrate why I am asking this question, and why I think the definition is important : Assume a
Message 1 of 5 , Jun 8, 2005
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Hi Isobel,

Thanks - that’s the answer I am looking for. To illustrate why I am asking this question, and why I think the definition is important :

Assume a single structure spherical correlogram model with

Co = 0.25

C = 0.75

Co+C (Sill) = 1.0

Using Alwyn’s / Royle’s terminology:

Nugget variance (Co) = 0.25

Nugget effect (epsilon) = 0.27 / 0.75 = 33% (or 0.33)

To quote Alwyn :

“There is confusion in the scientific literature concerning [nugget effect] which is also reflected in the terminology used in software programs. The nugget variance is often misleadingly referred to as nugget effect which is incorrect as, as we have seen, is the ratio of Co/C. Similarly, the spatial variance is referred to as the sill or sill variance which is also misleading in the authors opinion, as the sill variance is Co+C which corresponds to the dispersion variance of the date used to produce the semi-variogram”  Mining Geostatistics Course Book – Cardiff University, 1998 – this course book is taken verbatim from Alwyn’s book.

You are quite correct, it doesn’t really matter what you call it as long as you understand its meaning.

Regards,

Colin

From: Isobel Clark [mailto:drisobelclark@...]
Sent: 08 June 2005 11:06
Cc: AI Geostats mailing list
Subject: Re: [ai-geostats] Definition of Nugget Effect

Colin

Alwyn is a graduate of the Leeds University programme in geostatistics. Bon Royle, who was the first in the UK to go to Fontainebleau and learn geostatistics, coined the term "nugget variance" for the nugget effect. He also used the notation "N" for nugget effect unlike the more general notation of C_sub_zero.

Whatever you call it, it represents the micro-scale variation which cannot be predicted at the current scale of your sampling. Since we use a semi-variogram, it is one-half of the variance between two samples at almost exactly the same location.

Geostatistics schools differ on what to do at exactly zero distance (and software packages reflect this). Some schools (e.g. Stanford) insist that nugget effect is due solely to sampling error and use the nugget semi-variance at zero distance. Others say that the nugget effect is micro-scale (even microscopic scale) and use it everywhere except at zero distance. At zero the semi-variance is set to zero. A good question to ask your software vendor is "what does your software do with the semi-variogram (or covarianc) at zero distance".

Reality is somewhere in between, but I do not know any software which allows you to allocate some of the nugget effect at zero. Of course, you can always get round this by adding a component with a very short range of influence.

Isobel

http://geoecosse.bizland.com

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