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• When comparing kriging versus regression, I meant using linear regression between sparse and exhaustive datasets to interpolate the sparse one, since as Digbi
Message 1 of 16 , Jan 3, 2005
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When comparing kriging versus regression, I meant
using linear regression between sparse and exhaustive
datasets to interpolate the sparse one, since as Digbi
Milligan pointed out in general case regression is not
an estimation method.

--- Gali Sirkis <donq20vek@...> wrote:

> Seumas,
>
> see few practical points that you may find useful:
>
> 1. kriging vs regression:
>
> a) kriging honors original data points, while
> regression does not
> b) kriging allows to account for anizotropy
> c) kriging allows to control the influence of the
> data
> points
>
> 2. Kriging versus other interpolation technics
>
> a) Kriging allows to decluster data
> b) kriging allows to estimate uncertainty of
> estimation
> c) kriging allows to use for estimation secondary
> information from another exhaustive dataset
>
> 3. Kriging vs simulations
>
> a) Kriging produces smoother version than real
> distribution, while simulation gives more details
> b) simulations allow to estimate joint uncertainty,
> for example probability that values in several
> adjacent points are above certain level.
> c) simulation allows to estimate risk of various
> scenarios - while kriging only shows the most
> probable
> one.
>
> All the best,
>
> Gali Sirkis.
>
>
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I apologize if this question is too elementary for
> > this list;
> > I want to understand the key differences between
> > linear regression,
> > kriging, conditional simulation and other
> > interpolation techniques such as
> > IDW or splines in the analyses of spatial data. I
> > would like to know the
> > assumptions, strengths and weaknesses of each
> > method, and when one method
> > should be preferred to another. I browsed the
> > archives and looked at some
> > of the on-line papers, but they are written at a
> > level beyond my own
> > current understanding. It seems to me that this
> > would be a great topic for
> > the first chapter of an introductory spatial
> > analysis textbook. Can anyone
> > recommend any basic textbooks or references on
> this
> > topic?
> > Any assistance you can offer would be appreciated.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Seumas Rogan
> >
> >
> >
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• Perhaps there is some confusion here. Simple kriging, for instance, can be decomposed to the familiar multilinear regression equation since if one assumes all
Message 2 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Perhaps there is some confusion here. Simple kriging, for instance, can be
decomposed to the familiar multilinear regression equation since if one
assumes all the Z(Xi)s are independent variables, then in the covariance
matrix C all of C(Xi,Xj) would be zero except for C(Xi,Xi). So

LiC(Xi,Xi)=C(Xi,Xo)

The lambdas here being the parameters of the regression equation. The
intercept term is the sam, i.e. Lo=E(y)-LiE(xi).

Not sure if the previous poster meant this or simply using the location as
the "independent" variable.

Cheers

Syed

On 3/1/05 5:34 PM, "jyarus" <jyarus@...> wrote:

> Hi Seumas:
>
> I thought I would throw my 2 cents in regarding a comparison between kriging
> and linear regression.
>
> While some of the responses have hit a few important differences, like
> Kriging is a spatial estimator and regression is not, or kriging will honor
> the original data and regression will not (unless residuals are added back
> in - not often done). For me, the critical point to be made is between the
> collocated cokriging application and regression. In collocated cokriging,
> like simple regression, two variables are being used, one independent and
> one dependent (of course, this could be expanded to more than one
> independent variable). The object is to predict a value of the dependent
> variable from a relationship established between both the independent and
> dependent observed values. In the ensuing regression equation, there is a
> slope term. For example, in the equation, Y= c-bX, c is the intercept and b
> is the slope. As pointed out by one of the contributors, regression by
> itself is not a spatial estimator, it is a point estimator. As such, the
> equation contains no information about the surrounding data or about the
> relationship between the observed data and the unsampled location where a
> desired estimate of the dependent variable is required. In kriging (or
> cokriging), the slope term "b" is replaced by a covariance matrix that
> informs the system not only about the behavior of the surrounding data
> points and the unsampled location (similar to distance weighting if
> omnidirectional), but also about the spatial behavior within the
> neighborhood - that is, how neighbors are spatially related to other
> neighbors. Thus, the slope term "b" is replaced with a sophisticated
> covariance matrix containing the spatial information.
>
> The ramifications of using simple regression instead of true spatial
> estimator are significant if the results are presented in map form. While
> this is often difficult to grasp for some, using simple regression as a
> mapping tool will cause geographic portions of a map to consistently be
> overestimated and others underestimated! For example, you may find that all
> the values estimated in the upper left quadrant of the map to be
> overestimated, and those in the lower right to be underestimated. We would
> like to believe that a good spatial estimator will be unbiased, and the
> distribution of the error variances over the area of a map will be uniform -
> no one part of the map will preferentially over- or underestimated. The
> bias brought about by the slope term in simple regression can be easily
> tested and proved.
>
> I have attached a short paper my partner Richard Chambers and I published in
> the Canadian Recorder a few years back which addressed this issue. The
> article talks about seismic attributes related to petroleum reservoir
> characterization. However, beginning around page 10 or 11, we give an
> example that demonstrates the above points.
>
> I hope this is informative and useful.
>
> King Regards,
>
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> ------------------------------------
> QGSI
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> Partner
> jyarus@...
> 2900 Wilcrest, Suite 370
> Houston, Texas 77042
> tel: (713) 789-9331
> fax: (713) 789-9318
> mobile: (832) 630-7128
> ------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seumas P. Rogan [mailto:sprogan@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: ai-geostats@...
> Subject: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I apologize if this question is too elementary for this list;
> I want to understand the key differences between linear regression,
> kriging, conditional simulation and other interpolation techniques such as
> IDW or splines in the analyses of spatial data. I would like to know the
> assumptions, strengths and weaknesses of each method, and when one method
> should be preferred to another. I browsed the archives and looked at some
> of the on-line papers, but they are written at a level beyond my own
> current understanding. It seems to me that this would be a great topic for
> the first chapter of an introductory spatial analysis textbook. Can anyone
> recommend any basic textbooks or references on this topic?
> Any assistance you can offer would be appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Seumas Rogan
>
>
>
> * By using the ai-geostats mailing list you agree to follow its rules
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• Just to get the group s opinion on this - When do you use IDW? When is it an advantageous technique, or what purposes does it well serve? Darla Munroe ...
Message 3 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Just to get the group's opinion on this -

When do you use IDW? When is it an advantageous technique, or what purposes
does it well serve?

Darla Munroe

-----Original Message-----
From: Syed Abdul Rahman Shibli [mailto:sshibli@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:19 PM
To: jyarus; 'Seumas P. Rogan'; ai-geostats@...
Subject: Re: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW

Perhaps there is some confusion here. Simple kriging, for instance, can be
decomposed to the familiar multilinear regression equation since if one
assumes all the Z(Xi)s are independent variables, then in the covariance
matrix C all of C(Xi,Xj) would be zero except for C(Xi,Xi). So

LiC(Xi,Xi)=C(Xi,Xo)

The lambdas here being the parameters of the regression equation. The
intercept term is the sam, i.e. Lo=E(y)-LiE(xi).

Not sure if the previous poster meant this or simply using the location as
the "independent" variable.

Cheers

Syed

On 3/1/05 5:34 PM, "jyarus" <jyarus@...> wrote:

> Hi Seumas:
>
> I thought I would throw my 2 cents in regarding a comparison between
kriging
> and linear regression.
>
> While some of the responses have hit a few important differences, like
> Kriging is a spatial estimator and regression is not, or kriging will
honor
> the original data and regression will not (unless residuals are added back
> in - not often done). For me, the critical point to be made is between
the
> collocated cokriging application and regression. In collocated cokriging,
> like simple regression, two variables are being used, one independent and
> one dependent (of course, this could be expanded to more than one
> independent variable). The object is to predict a value of the dependent
> variable from a relationship established between both the independent and
> dependent observed values. In the ensuing regression equation, there is a
> slope term. For example, in the equation, Y= c-bX, c is the intercept and
b
> is the slope. As pointed out by one of the contributors, regression by
> itself is not a spatial estimator, it is a point estimator. As such, the
> equation contains no information about the surrounding data or about the
> relationship between the observed data and the unsampled location where a
> desired estimate of the dependent variable is required. In kriging (or
> cokriging), the slope term "b" is replaced by a covariance matrix that
> informs the system not only about the behavior of the surrounding data
> points and the unsampled location (similar to distance weighting if
> omnidirectional), but also about the spatial behavior within the
> neighborhood - that is, how neighbors are spatially related to other
> neighbors. Thus, the slope term "b" is replaced with a sophisticated
> covariance matrix containing the spatial information.
>
> The ramifications of using simple regression instead of true spatial
> estimator are significant if the results are presented in map form. While
> this is often difficult to grasp for some, using simple regression as a
> mapping tool will cause geographic portions of a map to consistently be
> overestimated and others underestimated! For example, you may find that
all
> the values estimated in the upper left quadrant of the map to be
> overestimated, and those in the lower right to be underestimated. We
would
> like to believe that a good spatial estimator will be unbiased, and the
> distribution of the error variances over the area of a map will be uniform
-
> no one part of the map will preferentially over- or underestimated. The
> bias brought about by the slope term in simple regression can be easily
> tested and proved.
>
> I have attached a short paper my partner Richard Chambers and I published
in
> the Canadian Recorder a few years back which addressed this issue. The
> article talks about seismic attributes related to petroleum reservoir
> characterization. However, beginning around page 10 or 11, we give an
> example that demonstrates the above points.
>
> I hope this is informative and useful.
>
> King Regards,
>
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> ------------------------------------
> QGSI
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> Partner
> jyarus@...
> 2900 Wilcrest, Suite 370
> Houston, Texas 77042
> tel: (713) 789-9331
> fax: (713) 789-9318
> mobile: (832) 630-7128
> ------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seumas P. Rogan [mailto:sprogan@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: ai-geostats@...
> Subject: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I apologize if this question is too elementary for this list;
> I want to understand the key differences between linear regression,
> kriging, conditional simulation and other interpolation techniques such as
> IDW or splines in the analyses of spatial data. I would like to know the
> assumptions, strengths and weaknesses of each method, and when one method
> should be preferred to another. I browsed the archives and looked at some
> of the on-line papers, but they are written at a level beyond my own
> current understanding. It seems to me that this would be a great topic for
> the first chapter of an introductory spatial analysis textbook. Can anyone
> recommend any basic textbooks or references on this topic?
> Any assistance you can offer would be appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Seumas Rogan
>
>
>
> * By using the ai-geostats mailing list you agree to follow its rules
> ( see http://www.ai-geostats.org/help_ai-geostats.htm )
>
> * To unsubscribe to ai-geostats, send the following in the subject or in
the
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• Well... I would say that IDW is still being used by a few consultants that think that kriging is too complicated to apply and that the client will pay them as
Message 4 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Well... I would say that IDW is still being used by a few consultants that
think that kriging is too complicated to apply and that the client will pay
them as long as the map looks pretty...
and less cynically IDW could give OK results if your data are gridded
and the pattern of variability is ostropic.

Pierre

Pierre Goovaerts

Chief Scientist at Biomedware

516 North State Street

Ann Arbor, MI 48104

Voice: (734) 913-1098
Fax: (734) 913-2201

http://home.comcast.net/~goovaerts/

-----Original Message-----
From: Darla Munroe [mailto:munroe.9@...]
Sent: Tue 1/4/2005 3:06 PM
To: ai-geostats@...
Cc:
Subject: RE: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW

Just to get the group's opinion on this -

When do you use IDW? When is it an advantageous technique, or what purposes
does it well serve?

Darla Munroe

-----Original Message-----
From: Syed Abdul Rahman Shibli [mailto:sshibli@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:19 PM
To: jyarus; 'Seumas P. Rogan'; ai-geostats@...
Subject: Re: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW

Perhaps there is some confusion here. Simple kriging, for instance, can be
decomposed to the familiar multilinear regression equation since if one
assumes all the Z(Xi)s are independent variables, then in the covariance
matrix C all of C(Xi,Xj) would be zero except for C(Xi,Xi). So

LiC(Xi,Xi)=C(Xi,Xo)

The lambdas here being the parameters of the regression equation. The
intercept term is the sam, i.e. Lo=E(y)-LiE(xi).

Not sure if the previous poster meant this or simply using the location as
the "independent" variable.

Cheers

Syed

On 3/1/05 5:34 PM, "jyarus" <jyarus@...> wrote:

> Hi Seumas:
>
> I thought I would throw my 2 cents in regarding a comparison between
kriging
> and linear regression.
>
> While some of the responses have hit a few important differences, like
> Kriging is a spatial estimator and regression is not, or kriging will
honor
> the original data and regression will not (unless residuals are added back
> in - not often done). For me, the critical point to be made is between
the
> collocated cokriging application and regression. In collocated cokriging,
> like simple regression, two variables are being used, one independent and
> one dependent (of course, this could be expanded to more than one
> independent variable). The object is to predict a value of the dependent
> variable from a relationship established between both the independent and
> dependent observed values. In the ensuing regression equation, there is a
> slope term. For example, in the equation, Y= c-bX, c is the intercept and
b
> is the slope. As pointed out by one of the contributors, regression by
> itself is not a spatial estimator, it is a point estimator. As such, the
> equation contains no information about the surrounding data or about the
> relationship between the observed data and the unsampled location where a
> desired estimate of the dependent variable is required. In kriging (or
> cokriging), the slope term "b" is replaced by a covariance matrix that
> informs the system not only about the behavior of the surrounding data
> points and the unsampled location (similar to distance weighting if
> omnidirectional), but also about the spatial behavior within the
> neighborhood - that is, how neighbors are spatially related to other
> neighbors. Thus, the slope term "b" is replaced with a sophisticated
> covariance matrix containing the spatial information.
>
> The ramifications of using simple regression instead of true spatial
> estimator are significant if the results are presented in map form. While
> this is often difficult to grasp for some, using simple regression as a
> mapping tool will cause geographic portions of a map to consistently be
> overestimated and others underestimated! For example, you may find that
all
> the values estimated in the upper left quadrant of the map to be
> overestimated, and those in the lower right to be underestimated. We
would
> like to believe that a good spatial estimator will be unbiased, and the
> distribution of the error variances over the area of a map will be uniform
-
> no one part of the map will preferentially over- or underestimated. The
> bias brought about by the slope term in simple regression can be easily
> tested and proved.
>
> I have attached a short paper my partner Richard Chambers and I published
in
> the Canadian Recorder a few years back which addressed this issue. The
> article talks about seismic attributes related to petroleum reservoir
> characterization. However, beginning around page 10 or 11, we give an
> example that demonstrates the above points.
>
> I hope this is informative and useful.
>
> King Regards,
>
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> ------------------------------------
> QGSI
> Jeffrey M. Yarus
> Partner
> jyarus@...
> 2900 Wilcrest, Suite 370
> Houston, Texas 77042
> tel: (713) 789-9331
> fax: (713) 789-9318
> mobile: (832) 630-7128
> ------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seumas P. Rogan [mailto:sprogan@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: ai-geostats@...
> Subject: [ai-geostats] Regression vs. Kriging vs. Simulation vs. IDW
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I apologize if this question is too elementary for this list;
> I want to understand the key differences between linear regression,
> kriging, conditional simulation and other interpolation techniques such as
> IDW or splines in the analyses of spatial data. I would like to know the
> assumptions, strengths and weaknesses of each method, and when one method
> should be preferred to another. I browsed the archives and looked at some
> of the on-line papers, but they are written at a level beyond my own
> current understanding. It seems to me that this would be a great topic for
> the first chapter of an introductory spatial analysis textbook. Can anyone
> recommend any basic textbooks or references on this topic?
> Any assistance you can offer would be appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Seumas Rogan
>
>
>
> * By using the ai-geostats mailing list you agree to follow its rules
> ( see http://www.ai-geostats.org/help_ai-geostats.htm )
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• ... I use IDW to plot a smooth surface, fitted through the data points. This may serve as another spatial visualisation of the data; I see it as an exploratory
Message 5 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Darla Munroe wrote:
> Just to get the group's opinion on this -
>
> When do you use IDW? When is it an advantageous technique, or what purposes
> does it well serve?

I use IDW to plot a smooth surface, fitted through the data points.
This may serve as another spatial visualisation of the data; I see
it as an exploratory step towards building a statistical model for
spatial variation.
--
Edzer
• Syed The term independent variables is confusing in the context of regression. It does not mean that the variables are independent of one another. It means
Message 6 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Syed

The term "independent variables" is confusing in the
context of regression. It does not mean that the
variables are independent of one another. It means
that they are independent of the error incurred in the
estimation. The variance-covariance matrix is
classically produced directly from the data and does
not need to be diagonal.

The difference between simple kriging and regression
is solely that the covariances are derived from a
model rather than directly from the data.

Isobel
http://geoecosse.bizland.com/books.htm
• Agrred, IDW is a good rough way to visualise your data before embarking on more objective (?) approaches. If your data is pretty regularly spread out, small
Message 7 of 16 , Jan 4, 2005
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Agrred, IDW is a good rough way to visualise your data
before embarking on more 'objective'(?) approaches.

If your data is pretty regularly spread out, small
nugget effect and you use the semi-variogram to choose
the search radii, there is little difference between
an IDW-squared map and kriging.

Isobel
• Seumas, I was probably a bit misleading to say regression is not an estimation technique. The word regression meaning to revert back to the original, or find
Message 8 of 16 , Jan 5, 2005
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Seumas,

I was probably a bit misleading to say regression
is not an estimation technique. The word regression
meaning to revert back to the original, or find the
underlying real equation for a set of data. "Kriging"
is a form of what is called "generalised linear regression"
which is one of the most advanced forms of regression.
The simpler forms of regression can be used to fit
parametrics equations to data, such as linear regression
to fit an equation of a line to a set of data points,
or non-linear regression to fit a polynomial surface
to a scattered set of say topography data points.
Not really estimation, but equation fitting. I use non-linear
regression to fit equations to drillhole survey points
to plot their curves. In it's more advanced form when
you wish to fit equations to say a set of two dimensional
data points, or three dimensional orebody samples,
this is called trend surface fitting. Unfortunately normally
the equations developed from trend surface fitting
become massively too complex to handle to be practical,
and hence estimation is opted for.

Digby
• For ore resource modelling I ve used IDW on a highly skewed lognormally distributed deposit, where no variograms could be produced. With lognormally
Message 9 of 16 , Jan 5, 2005
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For ore resource modelling I've used IDW on a highly skewed lognormally
distributed deposit, where no variograms could be produced. With lognormally
distributed data often found in ore resources, having a good variogram is
important, to avoid large errors in kriging hence it may be preferential to
use
IDW and a topcut. However if your data is not so highly skewed even
approximating
a variogram can provide superior results. I used to model topography
surfaces
and Kriging with a 'guessed' variogram produced good results compared to
IDW which produced highly spiked and erroneous results.

Digby
www.users.on.net/~digbym
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