This to David's on the matter..
<and I did what is perhaps frowned on
post this also to the Williams list,
but anyway he
Here is the account by John of Damascus
of the teachings of Paulianists(from
Paul of Samasota)
"came close to affirming that Christ
did not exist, for he made out to
be a spoken word that began
to exist from Mary...from that time
when he became present in the flesh".
can that be the source of the following
(more interestingly B)
The citation about the world made
"I remember a bewildering and almost hilarious
discussion in which we considered the
notion, propounded by some early Christian heretics,
that the world had been created at the Nativity. (It was
characteristic of his adventurous
imagination, that he should like to put himself
at the point of view from which a doctrine was held,
before rejecting it...
B. (cited from memory and quite
wonderful, well no doubt better
before my memory but...)
A daughter of Israel one day
pronounced the Divine Name with her
whole heart soul and mind and body
so that it took flesh within her.
0f course to link the two to the John citation
we must have him make the poetic leap
that the word was the one spoken by Mary..
and on the other hand a rearrangement so
that not only the Word but the World
begins at Nativity...but perhaps not impossible.
anyway for what its worth,