On Nov 29, 2005, at 4:22 PM, John D Rateliff wrote:
> Never mind that twice before Kreeft has compared Frodo not to
> Christ but to Mary, calling his acceptance of the Ring at the
> Council of Elrond his "Marian moment".
But surely the fact that Frodo can be compared to Mary in some
respects, doesn't preclude his being compared to Christ in other
respects -- or vice versa?
> that "God and his angels" don't sing the world into existence in
> both books (Illuvatar lets the Ainur subcreate Middle-earth but
> doesn't sing himself;
But he does: Ilúvatar "propound[s] to them themes of music" and
"declare[s] to them a mighty theme", which they "show forth their
powers in adorning" (S:15). The sub-creation of the Ainur was just
that: _sub-_creation, all done under Eru, and by Eru _through_ them,
all within the theme that _he_ devised: "each of you shall find
contained herein, _amid the design that I set before you_, all those
things which _it may seem_ that he himself devised or
added" (emphasis added).