... This in and of itself doesn t bother me, despite my dedication to Tolkien. I understand the urge to fill in things that Tolkien left blank: as a young fanMessage 1 of 46 , Jul 16, 2005View SourceAt 12:36 AM 6/30/2005 +0000, saraciborski wrote:
>In the case of Tolkien, fan fiction (which I know about only from theThis in and of itself doesn't bother me, despite my dedication to Tolkien.
>fan fiction essay in Tolkien on Film) seems a desecration. To
>desecrate means (quoting Webster's) "to treat disrespectfully,
>irreverently, or outrageously." As a magnificent, inimitable and
>sublime piece of literature, The Lord of the Rings is worthy of
>respect and reverence. My view. (Shared by millions, I believe.) The
>phenomenon of Tolkien fan fiction and fan fiction writers pains and
I understand the urge to fill in things that Tolkien left blank: as a young
fan I tried to figure out who the unnamed Thains might be. (We're told of
Isumbras I, III, and IV, so there must have been an Isumbras II in there
somewhere.) I understand the urge to play around with his characters,
although the only things in that department I care to read myself are
parodies. I don't see these urges as alien to any other urges to study and
analyze his work.
This may seem strange, given my objection to some of P---r J----n's changes
on the grounds that they come across as lousy fan fiction, but my objection
is to the way his lousy fan fiction was published. If the tale of Merry
and Pippin fooling around with fireworks had been buried in an Internet
fan-fiction archive somewhere, it would have amused inoffensively and been
forgotten, like thousands of actual stories of the same kind.
... because they re major sources in Old Norse, a ... where the ... Of course, I had momentarily forgotten... ! :) ... Ahhh... Although those are precisly theMessage 46 of 46 , Aug 1, 2005View Source--- In email@example.com, David Bratman <dbratman@e...> wrote:
> At 01:52 AM 7/20/2005 +0000, Lezlie wrote:because they're major sources in Old Norse, a
> language he taught, and because he used them as sources (they'rewhere the
> dwarf-names came from).Of course, I had momentarily forgotten... ! :)
> >I also disagree that "all fiction is fan fiction". There is a deeper,Ahhh... Although those are precisly the qualities we seek in reading
> >more complex conversation going in between authors, readers and later
> >generation writers than what seems to be the norm in "fan-fic."
> Totally apart from questions of quality and subtlety,
and in crafting our fiction. Whether a piece has literary quality or
not, BTW, was beside my point.
there is also a
> difference between crafting a work in response to an earlier workand being
> inspired by it, and actually borrowing its concrete setting orretelling it
> openly. This is a difference in kind, not necessarily a difference inAlso beside my point. What I was talking about is something different--
> literary value.
BTW: Have you read Stallybrass & White on this subject? Very
interesting stuff and a killer title: "The Politics and Poetics of
Transgression" - Lezlie