May be it is because this one didn't start out as a Christian Group, is
why I object to people trying to turn it into one? In fact, in the
beginning, Glen was more Pagan than Christian. We discussed Jung, Diana
Paxson and all the other fantasy Pagan writiers as much if not more than
Lewis & Williams. In fact, many people in the earliest Society, never
read Lewis and Williams because they objected to their religious slant
on things. They only read Tolkien and other Fantasy Writers, period.
Many of your arguements have been more exclusive rather than inclusive.
What I object to is the "Because they were Christian" we must be
"Christian", and must do everything with a Chrisitan slant. We aren't
Christian, and we don't.
Tolkien Lewis and Williams are not the only writers that we discuss.
Again, many of the writiers we discuss are NOT Christians. So yes, I
think that is relevant. We do not discuss ONLY Christian Writiers. There
are Only Christian Writers groups out there. This is a Fantasy Group,
not a religious group. We discuss Fantasy Books of all sorts of Religous
leanings. And we usually discuss the main three in non-religious terms.
Usually when threads get too Christian in this group, I just quickly
scan them then go on looking for more Fantasy stuff again.
No, I don't read a lot of Lewis and Williams, I read Tolkien and other
Fantasy Writers. And through the Society I have found out more about one
of my favorite writiers - Tolkien - and many other lovely books!
Including the Prydain books, Katherine Kurtz's earlier stuff, great
discussions on Robin Hood and King Arthur Legends, and on and on....
Carl F. Hostetter wrote:
>On Jun 16, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Lisa Deutsch Harrigan wrote:
>>The process pf Mythopoeia does not require one to be a Christian, nor
>>does the enjoyment of said same.
>Who has said otherwise? Certainly not I; in fact, I have stipulated
>just exactly this.
>>This is a Fantasy Group.
>So? That Fantasy and Christianity are not mutually exclusive is
>_precisely_ my point, and it was _precisely_ (one of) Tolkien and
>Lewis's points. Moreover, even if we buy your seeming distinction, this
>is not _just_ a "Fantasy Group": it is _specifically_ a group centered
>on the works of three famously and characteristically Christian
>>There are enough Christian groups out there that discuss fantasy, that
>>one should go try those.
>And this is _exactly_ the attitude that I detected and am arguing
>against. I could just as well argue that there are "enough Fantasy
>groups out there that _aren't_ centered around the works of three
>famously and characteristically Christian fantasists: go try one of
>those if you can't tolerate Christian-themed discussion of fantasy".
>Not that I would, because of course there's no good reason we can't