For the IBM XT you need to use the reference disk to format the hard drive if it s from an alien system. I should have thought of that being an ex IBMer...butMessage 1 of 3 , Jul 2, 2006View SourceFor the IBM XT you need to use the reference disk to format the hard drive
if it's from an alien system. I should have thought of that being an ex
IBMer...but it's been a while. In the process of formatting a drive now.
... drive ... an ex ... now. ... Bill, as I remember XT s and MFM controllers, many of those controllers had a low level format routine in their BIOS ROM.Message 1 of 3 , Jul 3, 2006View Source--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "B. Degnan" <billdeg@...> wrote:
> For the IBM XT you need to use the reference disk to format the hard
> if it's from an alien system. I should have thought of that beingan ex
> IBMer...but it's been a while. In the process of formatting a drivenow.
> BillBill, as I remember XT's and MFM controllers, many of those
controllers had a "low level format" routine in their BIOS ROM. That
routine was accessed by using DEBUG and starting at a ROM address,
something like C300:0005. A Web search on those terms should find this
info. POWER THE DRIVE FOR SEVERAL MINUTES before doing this, so it's
A low level format will rewrite all tracks and sectors. I recommend it
so that any marginal tracks can be recovered. However this may also
wipe out any info about "bad" tracks found by previous use.
Consequently a reasonable next step is to use a program to test and
mark bad tracks, perhaps the program you mentioned.
The problem is that relative to drives today, the old MFM drives had
limited self-diagnostics. Also becuase of their advanced age, they
will be marginal and have physical errors, probably. For any serious
use of such drives, they should be reformatted and tested THROUGHLY.
Can you format under MS-DOS and use on DEC or other OS's? Low level
formats are not OS dependent; they CAN be controller-dependent. High
level format which determines drive partitioning IS OS dependent.
Features like "bad blocks" may or may not be OS dependent. Best
practice is to low level format and partition on the destination OS
and controller - but testing on a more demanding controller and OS is
a good idea!
Other MARCH associates know more about MFM drives than me and can
probably advise you, or more likely remind you of tricks you learned
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Bill, True XT-style controllers had the drive geometry in ROM and thus each controller would only support a very limited number of drives (as many as three -Message 1 of 3 , Jul 3, 2006View SourceBill,
True XT-style controllers had the drive geometry in ROM and thus each controller would only support a very limited number of drives (as many as three - sometimes selected by jumper!). The initial AT controller was a little better in that the drive geometry tables moved to the computer's ROM BIOS. This allowed support for more drives but the tables were obsolete before the first machine was sold. The present situation came about when the BIOS manufacturers realized that a complete table was impossible and allowed for two "user defined" drive types. These are still with us but the BIOS and the drives have become smart enough to fill in the blanks for us.
So back to your XT era drives... a drive that come up 'bad' simply may not be supported by your controller. I would move to an AT-style motherboard and controller where you can enter the drive geometry into the BIOS settings.
Herb is correct that most (perhaps all) MFM and RLL controllers had a low level format built into the adapter ROM. I believe this was usually found at C800:xxxx (hey I remembered all this so far). Your favorite search engine, an old book, or some documentation can fill in the exact address, however, once you have the controller talking to the drive with the correct numbers of heads and cylinders, SpinRite will recognize the drive and you're on your way.
As to moving a drive from one system to another... A fresh low level format (remember when it was the rage to reformat your drive to change the interleave from 3 or 4 to 1?) would erase any remnants of an incomptible partition table.