You said Knowing that tornados are caused by discharge is a really important fact. - What do you base this on? ... destroyed ... to ... these ... shaft ...Oct 9, 2002 1 of 32View SourceYou said "Knowing that tornados are caused by discharge is a really
important fact." - What do you base this on?
--- In methanehydrateclub@y..., foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> Kirk, When oil drilling rigs were first being tried they were
> by two things. Ligntening burned them, and tornadoes twisted them
> shreds. They were afraid that for a while they could not overcome
> problems. They then found that when they insulated the drilling
> both problems were stopped. The only problem is that they didn't
> that information they found to explain and understand what caused
> lightening and tornadoes. The culprit is electrical discharge from
> ground through the funnel to the clouds and into the jet stream
> What demands the flow is the current in the jet stream. Acting
> siphoning hose the flow of current goes along well when its
> cloud and storms are over well conducting land and the discharge is
> smooth or building, but when one or some of the storms feeding the
> stream are pulled over nonconductive places, the jet stream sucks
> path demanding more as it is being forced to slow down its flow.
> causes a sort of jump demand on areas that are potential sources of
> discharge. This jump demand bring into place pathways of moisture
> the flow to go through. All of this is weather related because we
> observed the high air and low air and the fronts that have to come
> together to provide the right demands for electrical discharge of
> Solar Electrojet Current.
> The display of tornadoes in the North East was caused I
> by a network of chem trails which laid a completely total net of
> discharge pathways over all of the area. This net was used by the
> discharge into causing tornadoes over the whole area just like the
> stream, when it starts to run out of flow power it jump starts all
> possibly able to provide that discharge. The net caused a hook up
> huge area of potential discharges. This phenomena could not have
> happened in the natural because no storm sets up such a totally
> net of discharge potential pathways.
> Knowing that tornados are caused by discharge is a really
> important fact. This information could be used to provide pathways
> discharge which could be harnessed to be used for a power source for
> man's needs. Tornados only can occur at places capable of providing
> discharge. Badlands are caused by tornado after tornado digging
> and again on places that have mineral connections or wet conditions
> enable discharge pathways for the SE. Studying tornados with these
> things in mind can give us ways to control tornados in specific
> Small towns hit by destroying tornados, can be tornado proofed by
> a well grounded pathway through a playground path through the town,
> that if any tornado wants SE through its houses, it will have better
> pathways of conductance through the better conductor that is in
> Electricity always takes the path of best conductance or least
> resistance in the presence of pressing charges. I outlined this
> information years ago and it has been totally ignored. Its like
> insurance companies don't want people to not have a reason to buy
> policies. When if people have access to information about tornado
> activity in their areas and know how to stay away from building
> that act as conductors for tornados, like railroad rails through
> that will only use them for conductors to any storm that might pass
> enough to demand SE through them. Each situation can be analyzed
> protection from tornado destruction can be provided by simply
> the rules of insulating and conductance to provide safety places
> and his buildings. A problem of course in this method is that
> whole picture of what happens when storms pass over different
> given areas, is a many splendered problem. Many variables are
> and it is likely that errors of thinking through what will happen
> occur. However the task of doing the analyzing is a beginning and
> in the long run protect what man doesn't want destroyed. The rules
> all electrical and are very basically simple.
> Many meterologists have tried to understand Tornados, but
> they really don't know the basic principles involved, their
> ended up with no basic reasonings with have given man controlling
> answers. If people would have given the tornado stopping, when
> were drilled as they were insulated from the surrounding layers of
> conducting minerals that were being drilled through, the same
> effort as the weather men have, we certainly ought to have solved
> problem by now.
> I thought I had covered this topic on my web site.
> Http://www.vorbitz.com/electrojet If anyone has specific
> would be glad to share my opinions. Dr. Walter O. Peterson
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:48:44 -0600 "kirk" <kirk@3...> writes:
> The Cause of Tornadoes
> Tornadoes are caused when a cloud of the right size precipitates
> releasing heat, which causes it to rise and creates a vacuum under
> rushing under it creates the vortex.
> As much as tornadoes have been studied, and as obvious as the
> the weather predictors still don't have it figured out. Only newly
> rain clouds can create tornadoes, yet tornado warnings are always
> old clouds.
> It is known that a sudden drop in air pressure precedes tornadoes.
> pressure drop is caused by a cloud near the ground rising rapidly
> creating a
> partial vacuum below it.
> Precipitation releases as much heat as evaporation absorbs. But
> precipitation tends to be much faster than evaporation. So a very
> amount of heat is released when a cloud precipitates.
> Heat of course causes air to rise. When a cloud near the ground
> creates a partial vacuum under it.
> The cloud must be the right size for a tornado to occur. A very
> would not precipitate uniformly, so the whole cloud would not rise
> A very small cloud would not produce enough precipitation or heat to
> a large enough vacuum for a tornado to form.
> Also, the height from the ground would be important, because the
> which the air moves in rushing under it will depend upon the amount
> below the cloud.
> These dynamics only exist during the first few minutes of the
> of a
> heavy cloud. Older clouds precipitate gradually and higher in the
> vacuum is created.
> Modern doppler radar substantiates this point. When a tornado is
> doppler radar shows that a new cloud formed out of nowhere where the
> was said to be.
> Therefore, if people are to be warned in advanced, it has to be for
> where clouds are expected to form but have not yet appeared.
> It might be possible to prevent a cloud from creating a tornado by
> part of it, so it precipitates prematurely and nonuniformly. But
> factor would be a problem in locating a newly forming cloud.
> Cumulous clouds will not create tornadoes, because they dissipate
> continuously, and they precipitate too high in the air. A tornado
> to form rapidly and dissipate its energy all at once. This occurs
> humid air hits colder air. A typical example is gulf air turning
> colliding with other air over Arkansas. In the northern plains,
> usually form more gradually and dissipate energy through cumulous
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I am no expert on the subject. However I have read the Lindzen, Fu and Hartmann papers and think I know enough to apply EMFs to the cloud dynamics via cirrusOct 19, 2002 32 of 32View SourceI am no expert on the subject. However I have read the Lindzen, Fu
and Hartmann papers and think I know enough to apply EMFs to the
cloud dynamics via cirrus IR forcings in a meaningful manner.
Even if high clouds lead to relative heat stability heat loss leads
to cooling, more dense and falling air. RELATIVELY speaking, the
contrasts create instability.
--- In methanehydrateclub@y..., fredwx <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> All clouds block the escape of infrared radiation. Net warming of
> below cirrus clouds would tend to make the air more stable, not
> Cirrus clouds are not very effective at blocking sunlight so most
> the solar energy still reaches the ground allowing heating at low
> levels to occur and thus rising air (as in fair weather). However,
> that air rises it now will be moving into an environment that is
> as cold at higher levels than without the cirrus cover. (Cirrus
> blocking infrared radiation as you said allowing the air below the
> clouds to warm). I would submit that this might tend to inhibit
> vertical motion, not enhance it.
> --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "Mike Doran" <mike@u...> wrote:
> > Cirrus trap infra red radiation. Underneath that means warming
> > a rising air mass and to the surface a low.
> > Fair weather allows heat easily to escape to space. Without the
> > updraft, gravity pulls the air down, with no rising vacuum impact
> > high pressures form.
> > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., fredwx <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > <<The issue here is cirrus clouds, because they vary upper
> > > atmospheric heat values bigtime and create movements of that
> > or
> > > instability.>>
> > >
> > > Just how do the cirrus clouds vary upper atmospheric heat
> > big
> > > time or create movements of air or instability?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "Mike Doran" <mike@u...> wrote:
> > > > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "David" <b1blancer1@e...>
> > > > > Well said, Fred. To make a thunderstorm, you need three
> > things :
> > > > > heat, moisture, and an unstable atmosphere.
> > > >
> > > > The issue here is cirrus clouds, because they vary upper
> > > atmospheric
> > > > heat values bigtime and create movements of that air, or
> > > instability.
> > > >
> > > > Doran waves travel much faster then a frontal system. They
> > travel
> > > > faster then 'heat'.
> > > >
> > > > A thunderstorm in Texas has EMF implications for one in Iowa,
> > > > hence convective implications. Therefore the daily heating
> > > > cooling has timing implication feedbacks, re-enforcing time
> > day
> > > > activity.
> > > >
> > > > But if a hurricane landfalls during the night, the Doran
> > and
> > > > rain pay little attention to what the ionsphere is doing,
> > or
> > > > contracting.
> > > >
> > > > We see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear. The
> > > is
> > > > to be able to listen and observe without losing your state of
> > mind.