> > From "Who Am I?" by Sri Ramana Maharshi from The Collected Works
> > Ramanashram)
> > 1. Who am I.
> > The gross body which is composed of the seven humours, I am
> > the five cognitive sense organs, viz. the senses of hearing,
> > sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their respective
> > viz. sound, touch, colour, taste, and odour, I am not; the five
> > conative sense organs, viz. the organs of speech, locomotion,
> > grasping, excretion and procreation, which have as their
> > functions, speaking, moving, grasping, excreting and enjoying, I
> > not; the five vital airs, prana, etc., which perform
> > the functionns of in-breathing, etc., I am not; even the mind
> > thinks, I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with
> > residual impressions of objects, and in which there are no
> > and not functionings, I am not.
> > 2. If I am none of these, then who am I?
> > After negating all of the above mentioned as 'not
> > this', that Awareness which alone remains-that I am.
> > ~~~~~~~`
> > Chapter II- Practice
> > 1. What is the method of practice?
> > As the Self of a person who tries to attain Self-realization
> > not different from him and as there is nothing other than or
> > to him to be attained by him, Self-realization being only the
> > realization of one's own nature, the seeker of liberation
> > without doubts or misconceptions, his real nature by
> > the eternal from the transient, and never swerves from his
> > state. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE PRACTICE OF KNOWLEDGE. This is the
> > enquiry leading to Self-realization.
> > 2. Can this path of enquiry be followed by all aspirants?
> > This is suitable only for ripe souls. The rest should
> > different methods according to the state of their minds.
> > Dear Karta:
> > I capitalized one phrase above to denote that enquiry once
> > understood is no longer asking a question as I understand the
> > by Godman to be saying.
> > It is more like an abidance. I was looking for the quote where
> > was asked about diving deep to ask the question, Who Am I? and he
> > said something like, No, once you are down deep why dive again?
> > Instead I found the passages above which may be clearer.
> > I of course don't disagree with what Sri Ramana was saying in
> > Godman's piece, but how it was used as a definitive description
> > Self Enquiry.
> > Love
> > Bobby G.
> hi Bobby,
> thanks for being patient with me and
> pointing out the 'abiding'
> there is no way that I'll learn to
> express myself clearly, so I quoted the above;
I think it is a worthwhile distinction to make.
> I was pondering on, that it is harmful
> to stop the vichara premature and relax
> into a stance of guru-dom etc
I see. Yes, the abidance is the beautiful part of life. No reason
to stop it.
> [still on the page with Ganagak and
> deluded guru-doms]
> as for me was made clear, that for her
> the MOST important thing is to be ACKNOWLEDGED and not to
> and I feel bad that she is not
> posting anymore her wisdom and
We all have things to learn. I have been recently thinking of the
group dynamic and how it is nice to have people around who can help
with understanding. What I mean is that in a group, roles are
assumed in relationship to other roles. The roles shift from person
to person sometimes.
The teacher becomes the student or the "far thinker" needs to be
brought up short by the academician. The calm one and the agitated
one, the experienced and in...well anyway.
Refusal to change roles is a little irritating to me. But people can
do as they wish.
> love, Karta