Krishnamurti is awesome. I enjoyed so much of what he said.
Like, if there is a "me" there is separateness and there
is no point in listening to anyone who speaks of anything
that they (their "me") experienced. And that he feels that
what we usually consider meditation is a "problem".
Yes, when seen to be a means to something else, when held to be a ladder to reach somewhere else.
For that infers the continuance of the same acquisitiveness from which the sought escape.
was very silent, and I knew from reading him and knowing
somewhat of the meditation tradition he came from that he
viewed meditation as a solution and not a problem, and
yet the Rimpoche held his tongue. And when Krishnamurti spoke
of the total silence and total observance as what meditation
is, and that being possible only without a "me" involved,
Trungpa agreed to that being "real" meditation.
Yes, somewhere JK prattles about the resolution to be a real resolution it has to be at the level of totality, not at graded levels.
Thus, whatever that happens in time and thus via methodology(methodology can only exist in time), cannot be the resoluting ( to use a term).
Anyway, that's just "me" and some of my commentary, but
in any case, this was some of the best Krishnamurti and
it's great that it's available. Thanks for pointing to
this classic (one-sided, but all sided) interview.
Yes, this was one of the "better" ones.
How's that for judgement?:-))
And yet some murmuring......
JK prattles.......See the disorder, without attempting to seek order, for in the seeking of order all that happens is that the memory of order, the content of which has been gathered from satsanghs, books, Gurus, even esoteric experiences of what say "Divine Order" is all about.....
..aka the entirety of the content of "me"....
And that in seeing this disorder, without the "me".....is order.
But the very seeing of disorder as disorder.....is the confabulation of the "me".
Seeing fear as fear, seeing guilt as guilt, seeing acquisitiveness as acquisitiveness, whether in the domain of thingies or personal relationships.....
.... seeing the absurdity of objects doling out say meditation techniques as solutions ....
....seeing such drama ........as absurdity....
...is once again the frenzy of the "me".
When something of the spectacle of phenomenality(aka for example Gurus espousing traditions, rituals, whatever)....
..is taken to be absurd....
...then what is really being taken ........is that something else (other than what is held as absurd)....
...is not absurd.
That, this is absurd but that is the real deal....
.....is nothing but the hoopla of the me.
Seeing........ not disorder as disorder ......
....but seeing the very process of labelling i.e. disorder as disorder, absurd as absurd, divine as divine, mind as free or not free from acquisitiveness..
..a silent vitilized mind versus a dull mind.....(JK was big on the dull mind)