this is part of an exchange this morning, and as in other occasions,
i think it may be shared.
Q: i know this must be done alone anyhow.
***No, not alone. We definitely need help. and that's what we are
all in this world for, to help each other in realizing the truth of
existence. ( ... ) situations happen that make us mature and go
deeper into the reality of ourselves. These are the things of life.
But there are people who have had experiences, not only enlightened
ones, but experienced old men and women, wisemen, sages, great
thinkers of history, and those, finally, that have realized the
reality of no form, that from which all arises. These experiences
give us understandings that help us dealing the apparent cruelties
and unjustices of this life, giving us solace. We cannot do it
alone, we need help. Very few have done it alone as in the case of
Ramana Maharshi, and even then he spent 17 years afterwards in the
caves of Tiruvannamalai reading scriptures and meditating, so that
when he began to talk, he had the necessary intellectual background
to correspond to the learnt ones.
Q: but if it's alright i would like to ask more questions
even though my mind will never really understand.
***Your mind will understand, because that is what mind is made for
and of, understanding. What mind cannot do is to discover IT, but in
the contrary, IT will be discovered to mind. Mind cannot wrasp IT,
but IT will be revealed to mind. Mind is at the same time the wall
that covers IT and the tool that will destroy the wall.
> AWAKENING MAKES THE PERSON
> UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO PERSON AT ALL.
> IT'S QUITE PARADOXICAL, ISN'T IT?
Q: i can imagine it mentally as once you know you are
awareness that thoughts just come up and pass and you
no longer take them as an identity but don't then see
why there's still so much work to be done clearing the
psyche as aziz says.
***Because there may remain <tendencies> in the psyche. These are
tendencies of the thinking process that just work alone, in the sub
conscience, and we must be very aware for not letting them to remain
installed within the process of thought. If we observe this, the
tendencies will fall one by one, but this requires a prepared mind
and a practice to be done, first with effort, and afterwards
automatically (this is when definitive enlightenment happens). All
this may happen before or after realization, but once you have
realized the truth, it is very easy to be done. The practice becomes
easier after enlightenment. (Did you know this?) But let me say that
this is not always the case, as i already told you, each case is
Q: seems you're back in time and
***Whenever there is a notion of me as a person or an identity or as
the seer, there is time and space and identity, there is memory
which is part of mind. Mind is total, general, universal...identity
is part of it. Mind is the clay and identity is the portion
necessary for making a pot. So for the person to act as an
individual, there must be a sense of identity.
Q: i guess you're still in both 'worlds'
***That's exactly what there is not, two worlds. There are only
projections and only one reality. We may get caught in a projection
but this doesn't mean this projection is the only thing, it is part
of the clay.
can't you just attach to new thoughts if you see that
all are equally valid/invalid?
***It isn't that you attach to the thoughts. You just use the
intellect, discernment, feelings, everything that arises from you.
You may get immersed in the feelings or not, it depends. And you may
observe how these feelings arose so you do not get trapped on them.
Once you understand how the mind works, then you may use the mind,
and not be used by it. This is not easy, i may confess, but a work
to be done very accurately once one discovers oneself trapped in the
thinking process again. When this process stops, then this is said
that the person is fully realized. (Although in this case the person
is seen by the realizer as another thought, not as a real and
Q: must be an ongoing
process that deepens..how has it been for you?
***When i realized that "I exist from ever and for ever and that
everything arises from me", it was in a very clear, punctual and
evident way. This understanding resulted from being merged in pure
Consciousness. This was a thought as a result. It is not like being
in Nirvikalpa Samadhi and one as an identity being there. No, there
is only samadhi. Then mind arises again (immediately or not, in my
case it was immediately - i had things to do as taking my kids to
school-hahahaha), but impacted by the truth that Consciousness is
what you are, you as part of it. And YOU as IT. Pure awareness of
consciousness is previous and resulting, both...but pure
Consciousness is what there is all the time, wether an individual is
aware of it or not.
The clay is always there. Portions of it generate the different
forms and functions. Once identified with one of this forms (the
individual), there is the forgetfulness of the reality that clay is
all there is. But once it is realized, the pot knows the substance
of which it is made, and never forgets it again. This pot knows that
it has a function to play, and once this function has no more
meaning, it will be disolved in pure clay again. But it is always
Q: (About whom to trust, a guru?)
***The thing is that we look for models, because that is how mind
works, by models, structures, looking for stability. But real
stabilty of mind is in the flux, not in the unmovable, because the
unmovable is not mind, the unmovable is the clay in stillness, and
the individual is the clay in motion, in construction and de-
There are teachers, and different ways of teaching, but only one
thing being taught. One.
Q: that samadhi you had..is that the awareness without
form? so there was just awareness of awareness, no
awareness of anything else? right?
Q: so what's your
state after you come out of that?
***It could be any state. All the states arise from that
Consciousness-awareness. But Awareness is always there. After
Nirvikalpa you realize this. Before Nirvikalpa you "imagine' this.
Q: is that awareness
now always with you?
***And with you, although you don't realize it. It is very simple,
very, very simple. You are aware, there is awareness, don't you see
it? It is here and now. Just awareness. There's a you aware of
asking questions. There's a you aware of my responses. There's a you
and you are aware of it. So what is there? Just awareness. If you
aren't aware of something, this does not exist. All that exists is
because you are aware of it. Realize this. ------awarenes of the
individual, awareness of the processes, awareness of awareness---
what does it matter? All there is is consciousness-awareness.
Q: does it fade like when you're
thinking, writing, reading, driving a car?
*** No, it fades when thoughts come and i get caught in the process,
in the pre-conceptions, in the conditionings of this should be and
this shouldn't be, in the fear and doubt. Whenever i don't see that
what are arising are the conditionings, then i get trapped. Then
magically, pain appears (as when you cut your finger and pain
appears as an alert for you to heal it, otherwise it could get
infected). So pain is a warning that tells you that conditionings
are begining the battle in their intention to win the territory
again. But an awakened mind sees this as it appears, because pain is
just that, and alert signal. This is why it is said that ego takes
its raise, but an enlightened person (i am not sure i like this
_expression) notes this and puts ego in its place again, as an
instrument and not as a master. Ego seen in this case as all the
Q: is peace always there?
***You may direct your attention to any thing, and peace is there.
There may be awareness of any thing, it doesn't matter, and peace is
there. The thing is that peace is not noted when attention gets
trapped in the arisings of fear and doubt generated by the mental
conditionings. Over the field of peace, of peaceful awareness,
thoughts arise, thoughts are sustained and thoughts return merging
in it. Whenever awareness is directed to these thoughts in a
conditioned manner, these thoughts stay more time that the
necessary, producing apparent disturbances over the peaceful field
that is their platform, their base, their substartum, that from
which they are done, the clay. This is why it is said that world is
an ilusion, because world is what we see, by the means of thought,
and thought arise from "I", the field of peace. So the world arise
producing apparent existence, and it disappears again in me.
Q: if consciousness is just pure
awareness where does the peace, love and joy come
***Peace, love and joy is awareness undisturbed by the thinking
process of conditionings. To remain in peace, love and joy, is to
not get deluded by the arisings as if they were so important, so
real, i mean, peace is to see things as they are, thoughts as they
are, conditionings as they are, that's peace. Not-peace is to get
caught in them, is to not see the forest because attention is put on
the trees. Love is the natural expression of this peace, of this
clear seeing, and joy is the result.
Q: you still cry but is the sadness as deep as before?
***Sadness is sadness. As it comes, it stays the necessary time and
then it goes. All these happen over the field of peace whether i am
aware of it at the moment or not. It is not an ill sadness, healthy
sadness i may say, a natural sadness, a temporary sadness as
everything else is, temporary. All the happenings are temporary and
to know this gives us solace.
do you have that background that informs you that it's
only this dreamworld?
***To think of the world, our world, as a dream, is not so
productive, because even us are part of this dream. So let's live
the dream, but being aware of it's temporary characteristic.
Q: is there ever fear?
***Yes, there are natural fears. A mother fears for her children so
along as she plays the roll of a mother. A body fears for its
possible damage in order to maintain life. Fear is another alarm
sistem. But when we get caught in fear not knowing the real reasons
why fear arises, or when fear is a product of fearing the loss of
our concepts and beliefs, those that we construct for a figured
stability within the transient nature of things but intending to
make this things eternal, it is another issue.
Q: do you ever
think about the future?
***Of course i do. In this moment i am living in USA beacuse i am
quite sure that civil war in my country is very, very possible and
near. This as an example. I have to make plans for living and
projects for my own sustainance. But as it is said: man proposes,
God displays. So thinking about the future is a matter of making
propositions, knowing that things may change as a natural
characteristic of life. This is to act without being attached to the
Q: i'd like to meet (mentions a master) but he's in india and i'm
up here (...personal...) my life is a
strange and depressing affair now. i'm trying to cope
with the situation. i feel i'm running out of time and
that i'm going to die as ignorant as i was when i came
into this world.
***We came into this world not being ignorant, but being. It was the
idea of the world that made us feel we are ignorant. There is only
being, nothing new to acquire necessarily. It's only that in some
moment we got the idea that there was something to know. Our minds
got trapped within the conditionings and preconceived ideas and
ideals. We began to believe things and our hearts began to close,
trying to be protected from something. So now it is only a matter of
seeing this and being in peace, accepting things and situations not
as depressing ones, but as situations. We call them depressing
because we want things to be different. That's natural, but we must
wait for the appropriate time to come. Everything changes, all is in
motion, but "I" am always. I am the substratum, all the rest arises
from me. I install myself in me, and just observe the different
plays and "games" i have to play as a person. But "I" am always here
and now. I am the awareness of it all. This awareness is peace in
itself. Silence, rest, observing the observer, being that we already
are, are good practices.
> WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO BE
> AWARE THAT THERE IS AWARENESS? ISN'T IT OBVIOUS
> THAT AWARENESS IS ALL THERE IS? SOME TIMES LIMITED
> AWARENESS, SOME TIMES EXPANDED AWARENESS, SOME OTHER
> TIMES AWARENESS OF AWARENESS.
Q: i don't know. because i'm insane, hypnotized,
entranced by maya, dull?? because we don't separate
awareness from everything else?
***How can you do that? You are aware of everything else, and this
is why everything else exists. There is no wrong nor right in that.
It just is. But you are also aware of the awareness of it. That's it.
Q: i'm aware that there is awareness but not to the
degree necessary to see that awareness is all there
is. working on it
***What else can there be beside or apart from awareness? beside
Consciousness? What else can there be beside That you are? If you
are not, anything is. We cannot deny existence, it is contradictory.
And that's all. No fantasies, but Existence, Pure, Bright, Self
effulgent. That's IT. The rest are just things that arise because
awarenes is directed towards them, including me as a person. No
reason for suffering because of this. No reason for suffering. When
we see that the reasons are just as emergent from thought as all the
rest, they just fade.