Remedy - In What Form? (Question raised by Zena Crenshaw, founder of NJCDLP - firstname.lastname@example.org) Greetings, Zena. Your luck-of-the-draw hasMessage 1 of 1 , Apr 13, 2005View SourceRemedy - In What Form?(Question raised by Zena Crenshaw, founder of NJCDLP -Greetings, Zena. Your "luck-of-the-draw" has pulled "Ron Branson" for a response to your concerns. Hopefully, I will serve as a substitute to what would have otherwise been Barbie's response.By way of laying a foundation, it seems to me that one of the distinguishing factors between J.A.I.L. as a "judicial reform movement," and all other judicial reform movements, is our position re PetitioningGovernment for Redress of Grievances. This difference of position arises mostly out of my own personal experiences in seeking redress of grievances from both government in general and through the courts.There has not been a single door within government that I have not tested and found wanting. Out of complete exhaustion of every other method, I resolved that if anything was going to be accomplished, it had to come directly from the people themselves, and not their "representatives." (The quotation marks are indicative of my opinion of representatives.)Because I became fully persuaded to the nth degree that any real and meaningful remedy had to come directly from the people, it left me with only two choices. Either the unthinkable and unspoken option, or the Initiative Process. The latter seemed more reasonable and practical from so many perspectives, such as a cheaper financial cost, less risk, blood, more assurance of accomplishment, and even the fact that ultimately, the other alternative would necessarily require the latter objective, to wit, accountability of judges.Thinning out judges, or limiting their jurisdiction, or even getting "good ones" in there, could never replace the obvious need for good ole "judicial accountability," as proposed by J.A.I.L. One can call me short-sighted, so be it, but I have yet to hear from anyone proposing a "better" means of judicial accountability than J.A.I.L. (I confess here my conflict of interest in saying this as I am the author of J.A.I.L.) My mind is open to suggestions on this, and I have indeed posed this question to many who would seek to "trump" J.A.I.L. To date, all I have seen are those who try to "rename" and "reword" J.A.I.L. to attempt to put their names upon it so as to claim to be the author. But since those people have no cash to promote "their" version of J.A.I.L., they pose no danger. But these type people have forced me to invest in a copyright of J.A.I.L., which I should not have had to otherwise do.Now please understand that I realize that ultimately J.A.I.L. is not totally free of having to petition government, for when it comes to non-initiative states, we are absolutely stuck with having to petition to those state's legislatures. We just cannot avoid that.So, in accord with your expressed concern, we will have to employ your idea. However, the method of my madness is to "knock-over," as many initiative states as we can directly from the people, and gain an overwhelming and demanding respect by our "public servants."Now I am not so ignorant or so naive as to not realize that once "Ron Branson," has rolled anywhere between 2 to 20 states with his J.A.I.L. Initiatives, he will have gained such powerful notoriety and fame that no one, not even the President of the United States, will care to get in his way. How could anyone miss that point? But then, is Ron Branson seeking to destroy our form of government? NO! Rather establish it! And according to Ron Branson, there is no way on God's green earth that our supposed form of government can work without an accountable judiciary. And I believe that any wise and thinking man will agree with Ron Branson on that point, and I think that I have the Spirit of God.Zena, you have wisely raised the question, "how many of even our best Initiatives are defeated by inertia before our enemy has to even lift a finger?" Am I so ignorant as to imagine that we will pass the J.A.I.L. Initiative without a fight? Quite the contrary. I expect J.A.I.L. to be the "Second Shot Heard 'Round The World." The system will drag out their big political guns perhaps from all fifty states seeking to convince the people that J.A.I.L. is bad for them. I fully suspect their line of attack to be to say that J.A.I.L. is redundant and unnecessary because we already have judicial commissions available to hear complaints against any judge we fancy to complain about. Of course we know that this is merely political hype, to wit, a "remedy," albeit ineffective.The fact is that J.A.I.L. is unlike any Initiative that preceded it, because while other initiatives raise judicial questions for judges to review, J.A.I.L. raises questions about those who conduct the judicial review, i.e., themselves. It is acknowledged by the system that no man may sit as a judge in his own case, so J.A.I.L. raises that fundamental and basic issue in paragraph "(w) Challenges. No judge under the jurisdiction of the Special Grand Jury, or potentially affected by the outcome of a challenge hereto, shall have any jurisdiction to sit in judgment of such challenge. Such pretended adjudication shall be null and void for all purposes and a complaint for such misconduct may be brought at any time, without charge, before the Special Grand Jury by class-action, or by any adversely affected person."You can believe that should any judge assume jurisdiction to decide a matter which potentially involves his own conduct, will be the instant subject of a class-action complaint before the Special Grand Jury on the question of whether he acted in total absence of all jurisdiction as a judge involving himself. I know this sounds harsh, but we are living in desperate times calling for desperate measures.Should the system find the will of the People to be intolerable, then may the People find the will of the system intolerable, and may the question of who holds the last and final authority in our form of government, the People vs. the government, come to fruition. May the best man win! J.A.I.L. marks the end of open judicial rebellion to our Constitution and the laws of our Land, and to judicial abuses as we know them.Every time I hear people talk about remedies, they are talking about what Congress or the various Legislatures CAN DO. At this point, I am not interested in what the legislatures can do, and we are too late in the game to wait for them to do something. My opinion is that nothing will be done until J.A.I.L. actually embarrasses them to act. J.A.I.L. absolutely will FORCE judicial commissions to act. J.A.I.L. will FORCE Congress and the state legislators to act, there will be no two ways about that. But that will only come about once J.A.I.L. has actually been placed into effect, not while we sit around talking or wishing it were in effect.Now, let me face the egotistical factor of other judicial reform efforts. As you know, we should all be working together for the benefit of the whole. I, as well as you, consistently hear the call for unity, that is, "we all have to get together." That is nice to talk about, but there is one constant that I have sensed in my battles over the years, and that is that independent thinkers can never get together on anything.Coalitions are built, and coalitions join up with other coalitions, and the numbers compound. But what are their goals? They remind me of a team of horses pulling five or six different directions. And even if they are able to achieve some semblance of order, their goal seems to be that they want the numbers so they can "Petition Government for Redress of Grievances."To those who wish to "Petition Government for Redress of Grievances," I say, "Go ahead and petition. It is your right. Petition all you want. In fact, petition until you come to utter despair." I view all these judicial reform groups who are seeking to petition government as future candidates for the J.A.I.L. method. Oh, yes, I know this may sound arrogant on the part of Ron Branson, and I pray God keeps me humbled, and if not, God has His methods of knocking Ron Branson down a few notches. I know what the inevitable is, but I hate wasting precious time waiting for others to see Ron Branson's point, but I frankly see no other way. Do I get accused of egotism? Yes. I've been asked, "Who do you think you are, Jesus Christ?" My response is, "It's not important who I think I am. The all-important question is, "What does God want?"Now Zena, I want you to know that your question has not offended me at all, and I hope that likewise my response has not offended you in the least. You have taken up a first-rate cause in your National Judicial Conduct and Disability Law Project, Inc., which is pursuing judicial accountability. May we both win in that objective not long henceforth, not only for the benefit of ourselves, but for our entire country.You may rest assured that I will be calling upon you for support in our effort to win our very first state for J.A.I.L. May God bless you richly, dear one.-Ron Branson
----- Original Message -----From: Zena CrenshawTo: VictoryUSA@...Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:26 PMSubject: Re: We Cannot Expect Good Fruit From A Corrupt TreeHi Barbie:I'm not sure if the best way of directing a message to you and/or Ron is by replying to this message, but my response relates to your message below. While I support J.A.I.L., it's not because I believe that government petitions are categorically ineffective. Seeking redress through official, government channels is certainly futile for too, too many Americans. However, when such efforts are galvanized by public scrutiny and pressure, the tides of social and political policy often shift in this country. That's not to suggest we should dismantle JAIL4Judges and launch some letter writing campaigns. It's just that in my view, legal reform may be as much a captive of the legal reform community as it is of corrupt government forces.True, the legal reform community is an army of beleaguered, undercapitalized soldiers, fighting a formidable enemy with unlimited resources. But how many of even our best initiatives are defeated by inertia before our enemy has to even lift a finger? How many victims of legal abuse seem to think that being part of and assisting a legal reform initiative, not currently championing their case, is a waste of time? How many legal reform leaders would rather abandon the field than support even the most promising initiative devised by someone else? Can we answer these and like questions and conclude that our only solution is to abandon all hope for good fruit from a corrupt tree?Chief Judge Rehnquist gave us the formula for effective legal reform in his 2005, state of the court presentation: widespread and sustained protest. The legal reform community seems fixated on the "widespread" portion of this formula. It leaves us constantly jockeying for the spotlight, hoping to attract the most attention, while the work that allows "sustained" protest pulls us into the background, building data bases, updating financial records -- the dull stuff that stabilizes an organization. Realizing this doesn't make the job any easier for people like you and me lest we remember that the race is not won by the strong or the swift.I truly hope nothing in this message offends either you or Ron.Zena
J.A.I.L. News Journal
Los Angeles, California April 11, 2005
______________________________________________________We Cannot Expect Good Fruit From A Corrupt TreeThe People cannot expect officials of a corrupt systemto "reinstall lawful government."For some reason, you requested to be removed from our list. It must have been some time ago because it was done before we started to record the date of request. However, we are apparently on your list (albeit using our old email address), and we receive oodles of your messages.I don't know if you requested removal because you don't support this cause, or otherwise. However, it is rather unfair because you are misinforming the People (as many others are doing-- you aren't alone) about what must be done to "provide new guards for [our] future security" as mandated in the Declaration of Independence. Not being on our list, you aren't receiving our J.A.I.L. News Journals.Yes-- people by and large know that we have a "problem" with a despotic force in power, and I will add that most of them even realize that the People must enforce the Constitution against this tyrannical force. But there is added a NEW "problem" --that of informing the People of precisely what they must do to correct the underlying problem of tyranny. And it isn't "demanding" anything of the corrupt powers that be!As you know by now there are many people that understand the problem but there is not many that understand that all we have to do is demand that our elected and appointed officials reinstall the lawful government. [our emphasis- J4J]The following an example of the law of nature: "Ye shall know them by their fruits. [By their actions] Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits [actions] ye shall know them." (Mt.7:16-20)The problem of corrupt government is systemic and the People have to recognize it as such, and deal with it accordingly. Bob Schulz of We The People Foundation, call attest to the fact that you can "demand" all you want to government officials (redress of grievances) and run into a brick wall. The government's response was that People have the right of petition, but that right does not include the right to a government response, because if they had to respond to everyone who petitioned them, they wouldn't have time to conduct their normal business (i.e., their tyranny). What I am saying, Steven, is that common sense should tell you that "demanding" restoration of lawful government to the corrupt government, is futile-- by nature. One cannot, by nature, produce the other.While on this subject, I am reminded of another instance. I had written a JNJ regarding the need for J.A.I.L. for the People to enforce the Constitution because the Constitution itself contains no enforcement provision that the People can implement. One of our readers wrote back saying that the Constitution IS enforceable, by the First and Second Amendments. Rick Stanley, whom you may know from the Internet, responded to that with the following:STANLEY NOTE: In the past four years I exercised the 1st and 2nd
Amendment. Result: 2 misdemeanors, 2 felonies, 6 years in state prison, 102 days in county jail, over $11,000.00 in fines, $8,200.00 in restitution to the state, 75 hours of community service, $750.00 paid for a GPS monitoring bracelet, over $150,000.00 in legal fees and court costs, loss of over millions of dollars in business, the attention of the IRS, FBI, Colorado Department of Revenue, Joint Terrorism Task Force, multiple swat teams from multiple jurisdictions, government taps on my phones, business, home, and it goes on and on... LIVE FREE or Die! Rick Stanley. see http://www.stanley2002.orgSo much for "enforcing" the Constitution using any current part of it. The People cannot depend on "Nesara" or anything else-- and most of all, they cannot depend on Officials of this Corrupt De Facto Government to clean up the corruption! It has to come from the People themselves. It is THEIR interests (the protection of their unalienable rights) that are at stake, and so it naturally follows that "it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." It isn't necessary to "throw off" such government at this time-- just to "provide new guards" for our future security (and that doesn't come from "Homeland Security" either). J.A.I.L. will provide that "new guard."-Barbie
----- Original Message -----From: Steven PattisonSent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:53 PMSubject: Make more friends and stop false hope!
Please let me know you received this email.
First I want to share with you why I do what I do! The following is a paraphrase from the Bible.
Naturally, Isaiah asks the same fifty-dollar question: is there any point? The Lords answer is a resounding Yes. And then come some of the most important words one who promotes individual liberty and Constitutionally limited government can read these days: "There is a Remnant there that you know nothing about. They are obscure, unorganized, inarticulate, each one rubbing along as best he can. They need to be encouraged and braced up, because when everything has gone completely to the dogs, they are the ones who will come back and build up a new society, and meanwhile your preaching will reassure them and keep them hanging on. Your job is to take care of the Remnant, so be off now and set about it." http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates42.html
I believe it is our choose to determine how far we let it go! I believe we have are already gone completely to the dogs dont you?
I did a search on www.dogpile.com for "Disinformation is a large part of its covert action responsibility, and the American people are the primary target of its lies." and found the following!
"The CIA is not now nor has it ever been a central intelligence agency. It is the covert action arm of the President's foreign policy advisers. In that capacity it overthrows or supports foreign governments while reporting "intelligence" justifying those activities. It shapes its intelligence ... to support presidential policy. Disinformation is a large part of its covert action responsibility, and the American people are the primary target of its lies."
Ralph McGehee, Deadly Deceit. (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1983), p. 192. - Found about 13 pages down from the top on this web page - look for 
Also found here:
And here I also found the following:
Death squads have been created and used by the CIA around the world particularly the Third World since the late 1940s, a fact ignored by the elite-owned media.
CIABASE; The Crisis of Democracy
Now you know the reason most people dont know!
So who is the "President's foreign policy advisers"? As reported in the last web page it must be the 'elite' or someone directly taking orders from the elite! Then who is the elite? I did a search and could not find anything other then the following:
The Committee of 300 By Dr. John Coleman"
"This former member of British M16 exposes the conspiratorial group who is ABOVE the laws of all countries and controls every aspect of politics, religion, commerce, industry, banking, insurance, mining and even the DRUG TRADE to further their aims for WORLD DOMINATION. Find out who is at the seat of the problem and what you can do about it. There is not a better source or reference work.
From the back cover
An Expose of the most secret society in the world
Can you imagine an all powerful group, that knows no national boundaries, above the laws of all countries, one that controls every aspect of politics, religion, commerce and industry, banking, insurance, mining, the drug trade, the petroleum industry, a group answerable to no one but its members?
To the cast majority of us, such a group would appear to be beyond the realms of possibilities and capabilities of any given organization. If that is what you believe, then you are in the majority. The conception of a secret, elite group exercising control of every aspect of our lives is beyond our comprehension. Americans are prone to say, "It can't happen here, our Constitution forbids it."
That there is such a body, called The Committee of 300, is graphically told in this book. When most people attempt to address our problems, they speak or write about they. This book tells precisely who they are, and what they have planned for our future. It tells how they have been at war with the American nation for over 50 years, a war that we, the people, are losing. It tells what methods they use and exactly how they have us all brainwashed.
If you are puzzled and perplexed as to why things are occurring that we as a nation don't like yet seem powerless to prevent, why is it that the United States always seems to back the wrong horse, why our former social and moral values have been turned aside and seemingly buried; if you are confused by the many conspiracy theories, then The Conspirator's Hierarchy: The Committee of 300 will clearly establish that these conditions have been deliberately created to bring us to our knees.
Once you have read the applying truths contained in this book, understanding past and present political, economic, social and religious events will no longer be a problem. This powerful account of the forces ranged against the United States, and indeed the entire free world, cannot be ignored."
And I must conclude that this is not possible under a Free Republic! Right? It can only be explained that we have lost our government to a 'De facto' government! If you have not received the research on de facto or have any questions, email me.
Ok what is a Free Republic compared to 'The Republic of China'?
The only difference is this! We the people here fought for our freedom and it has been said that our Founding Fathers were acting under treason when they were only fighting a power that should not have had any power over free people! I would therefore not call them treasonous because it was not a revolt against a legitimate authority. Of course this could be argued forever but today because we did win our freedom it cannot in any way be called sedition or a treasonous act on anyones part that is trying to reinstall the lawful government!
One of our researchers found the following, which I believe, proves what I am saying!
To urge such a reexamination is not to be "anti-American". It might be anti-Empire, as part of the positive and healthy goal of a Constitutional Common Law Republic and therefore is not a action of SEDITION, because it is not a revolt against a legitimate authority - Erskine, Princ. Laws Scotl. b. 4, t. 4, s, 14; Dig. Lib. 49, t. 16, l. 3, § 1
In some of the about sites you will learn that these elite changed our laws and if you go to the last paragraph of this web page http://www.svpvril.com/comcivlaw.html you will find the following:
When the United Colonies met in Congress, in 1774, they claimed the common law of England as a branch of those "indubitable rights and liberties to which the respective colonies are entitled." And the common law, like a silent providence is still the preserver of our liberties.
And if you read the whole article you too should understand the type of law we have here in America. Ok, you want more proof. The following is in a congressional book from Missouri:
An act concerning laws.
ART. I. Common law and British statutes.
Sec. 1. Common law and statutes of England declared in force.
2. Punishment by the common law limited; British statutes for punishment of
crimes, &c., not in force.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri as follows:
Sec. 1. The common law of England, and all statutes and acts of parliament made prior to the fourth year of the reign of James the first, and which are of a general nature, not local to that kingdom, which common law and statutes are not repugnant to, or inconsistent with, the constitution of the United States, the constitution of this state, or the statute laws in force for the time being, shall be the rule of action and decision in this state, any law, usage or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding.
Sec. 2. Punishment, by virtue of the common law, shall in nowise be other than fine and imprisonment, and such fine shall not exceed one hundred dollars, and the term of such punishment [imprisonment] shall not exceed two months; nor shall any of the British statutes for the punishment of crimes or misdemeanors be in force in this state.
No one group has the right to change our law and they did it without any delegated authority! Anyone that follows any other law then Common Law is acting as subjects not sovereigns! Dont you agree?
As you know by now there are many people that understand the problem but there is not many that understand that all we have to do is demand that our elected and appointed officials reinstall the lawful government. There will be other documents that will explain the other important items that need corrected and one of them being the money.
Please take note anything on the Internet can be changed and therefore you should know the facts and that would help you know the truth. I found this site http://www.nesara.us/pages/history.html and it tells about something that I have a personal knowledge of but I could not find a thing within the de facto government web pages that would verify that National Economic Security And Reformation Act was ever passed by Congress as they report within their web site.
After reviewing their home page http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html I believe they do not understand who we are up against but I do like some of the things they say because some of them would happen after we are able to reinstall our lawful government:
NESARA initiates PEACE IMMEDIATELY and
Provides forgiveness of credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt as remedy for bank and government frauds;
Abolishes the IRS; creates flat rate non-essential "new items only" sales tax revenue for government;
Initiates U.S. Treasury Bank System, which absorbs the Federal Reserve, and new precious metals backed U.S. Treasury currency;
Restores Constitutional Law;
Requires resignations of current administration to be replaced by Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new elections within 120 days;
Requires the President Designate to declare "Peace" enabling international banking improvements to proceed smoothly; ends U.S. aggressive military actions immediately, and many more improvements.
More on the money issue when I get some donations! Email me here for more info StevenPattison@...
I know some people know some of what is happening and if you go to this site http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/ you can read more about what Ron Paul is trying to do! Until a lawful government is reinstalled nothing Ron Paul does or what the people reporting about the National Economic Security And Reformation Act are doing will every happen and therefore just more false hope!
I want to stop false hope!
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. - Henry David Thoreau
Therefore learn and help others to learn the truth because if you dont I dont believe there is any hope for our children! Then and only then will the people stop wasting their time hacking at the branches of evil and join the ever-growing number of people striking at the root of the problem.
I am not your enemy! An informed citizen is freedom's best friend and a controlled citizen is our worse enemy! Steven Pattison 1996
Make more friends!
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: and a People who mean to be their own governours, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."
James Madison to WT Barry, August 4, 1822.
Make sure everyone knows:
To urge such a reexamination is not to be "anti-American". It might be anti-Empire, as part of the positive and healthy goal of a Constitutional Common Law Republic and therefore is not a action of SEDITION, because it is not a revolt against a legitimate authority - Erskine,
Princ. Laws Scotl. b. 4, t. 4, s, 14; Dig. Lib. 49, t. 16, l. 3, § 1
Ok, now you know that we no longer have a Constitutional Common Law Republic and we are not much different then China except we the subjects here have more Federal Reserve Notes to play with!
If not Now, When? (inNW?) If not Us, Who? (inUW?)
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