Alex Jones Interviews Katherine Albrecht
Alex Jones: Joining us is the founder and head of Consumers Against
Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering, she is Katherine Albrecht
and we are so honored to have you on the show. Hello Katherine, good
to have you with us.
Katherine Albrecht: Hello Alex, it's a pleasure to be on with you.
AJ: We had you on just 2 weeks ago, and you're getting more and more
documents as you're doing more and more interviews, you've been on
all around the world. This is a big deal, I know you've got copies of
the documents. Tell us exactly, what you have discovered are
incredibly arrogant statements. Frankly from when you were on 3 weeks
ago, you heard similar statements and a lot of Biblical references
when you were up in Chicago for a big consortium meeting.
KA: Well you know the thing that has been happening behind the scenes
since 1999 when this Auto ID centre first got founded, and to put
this in perspective for your listeners by the way. The Auto ID
centre, the folks had a gaping security hole where were able to just
go in and sell these embarrassing and confidential documents. There
are actually, it could be argued that they are one of the most
powerful organisations in the world right now in terms of futuristic
AJ: Well they're connected to all the people. Wal-Mart got the
barcodes to become universal in the 80's, they're doing it again by
forcing all of their manufacturers to adopt this, this will become
KA: You got it, Wal-Mart being one of the sponsors of the Auto ID
centre, it comprised now of more than 100 different organisations,
companies, product manufacturers and retailers all around the world.
They have gotten together, and for the last 3 years have been meeting
secretly behind closed doors in these meetings, having discussions.
AJ: If that's a definition of racketeering I will say it. They are
colluding to change industry and make us accept the new system with
additional costs as well. This is racketeering, setting up a new
industry and then it has the privacy implications.
KA: The problem here is that it would be one thing if here if they
were meeting behind closed doors to talk about, I don't know, new
forms of fork lift or something to develop for the warehouse, but
what they have developed is something that has the potential to
influence every single human being on the planet.
AJ: And they say that in their documents. Tell us about their new
documents and how you got them, and then we're going to get Paul
Watson's response to this.
KA: We have, it's kind of funny, we first stumbled across this huge
gap in their web site security back in the spring and in fact I had
quite an astonishing time a few months ago, sitting there saying wait
a minute, as I was looking up some standard documents and there was
something confidential at the bottom of a number of them, and wasn't
that strange, and as I began to open up documents on the web site I
was astonished at how confidential these documents were. And I'm
talking about links with emails of everyone who has participated in
their meetings with telephones numbers
AJ: Corporate chieftain's home addresses.
KA: Yeah, that level of detail.
AJ: Department of defence goodies, in fact a Canadian researcher just
found a bunch of NSA stuff posted, it's like their Northwood's
documents, ever heard of Northwood's the US government terror plan
thing that got leaked, they admit it's accurate, it talks about
hijacking jet airliners to crash and blame on foreign enemies. The
stuff that gets leaked by government and quasi-government. Tell us
about the group, and exactly who's in it and what's in the documents.
KA: Well these documents contain everything from board meetings that
are confidential, secret PowerPoint presentations that they have
given to say everyone from the Department of Transportation. It has
references to meeting with Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge. It has
references to trials; actual store level trials where they are
putting bugging devices into actual products that people are taking
home with them. This has been vehemently denied in the media and yet
these internal documents openly state and specify that this is
AJ: This is massive and you talked about the public meeting in
Chicago, they said if we can get Homeland Security to endorse this
for security, now they're saying they want all the cows and sheep to
have this, federal inspectors, a whole new level of beaurocracy, a
security clearance to have any job, I mean this is their control
grid. Remember I talked about Ridge on C-Span last year, last time
you were on, Katherine. I had him on tape on C-Span. I've got to dig
the tape out. I watched this live and he was meeting with corporate
heads and he talked about this control grid.
KA: I think this is one of the concerns, that the companies involved
in this will tell you that their only concern is better efficiency in
the supply chain, that they're only worried about warehouses and
transporting things more efficiently.
AJ: But now they're meeting with Ridge
KA: Yeah, and one of things you.., let me just reread that quote that
I mentioned last time we were on together Alex, and this is a quote
by Larry Kellen he's a director for B2B Supply Chain Innovation for
Proctor & Gamble. He gave a whole presentation about how item level
tagging is going to be the future of RFID. Now item level tagging is
actually putting gone of these tiny remote transmitter chips on every
AJ : Woven in to the clothing
KA: Woven into clothing or potentially pressed right into plastic
AJ: Gillette already has it
Michelin already has it in the tyres.
KA: Well Gillette is testing it, they putting into packaging but the
potential is quite large that they would put this right into, I mean
for something the packaging may as well be the product
AJ: Now it's in the Michelin tyre.
KA: Yes we have seen schematic diagrams and that has been going
AJ: Let me stop you because we have Paul Watson here and we are so
honored to him in on, I've been jumping in a lot, just adding titbits
and want to get into what the documents actually say in the next
segment. Let's bring Paul Watson, our researcher from England on.
Paul, any comments on what Katherine has been saying
Paul Joseph Watson: Well you mentioned the first interview with
Katherine, and anyone and can go online and listen to that at
PrisonPlanet.com in the audio section - the June 20 interview. But
also we posted just yesterday a picture which one of our Prison
Planet columnists actually took personally from Wal-Mart and it
reads, and you can go online and see this now, "To our valued
customers, for your protection and to bring you low prices we use
CCTV and electronic merchandising tagging systems" and that's on
PrisonPlanet.com right now
AJ: So there they are trying to push it. Katherine, what do you say
KA: Well you know it is true, and the problem here with Wal-Mart is
they are putting in these hidden reader devices in shelves and in
floor tags and we actually have a document that states this is
happening, they have vehemently denied it and I interviewed with
AJ: Scanning you as you walk around inside the store and you said the
cameras watch you when you pick up the Gillette razors
KA: Well that is one of their stated plans, and let me give you a
list of products, I have a document right here that specifies at Wal-
Mart in phase 3 testing, they are testing Caress Soap, Right Guard
Aerosol deodorants, Pantene shampoo, Huggies Baby Wipes, Coca Cola 2L
bottles, and of course Gillette products. Now when you look at this
document that talks about Wal-Mart doing this it actually says that
for each of these products they are doing a shelf read, now shelf
read means actually reading the items on the shelf. This means that
tags must be in the items themselves.
AJ: I've got to stop you there, that's big, they're in the items
themselves and they said they weren't doing that.
KA: Now one of the others is a floor reader, there is a reference to
a floor read for Coca Cola, and the question we are now raising is
have in my possession right here right now a pair of shoes by a
company called Foot Star and right on the tag it says "Attention our
products have theft detection devices embedded which will be
deactivated at the register or the service desk. If you combine that
with floor readers you have the potential to read people through
AJ: After they leave. And in San Francisco they are using RFID to
begin taxation off the toll roads, putting the entire city into toll
roads. Stay there, riveting information, absolutely important, got to
boycott them now before they put them in everything and there is no
escaping it and they make it a law that every product has to have it
unifying the supply chain. Be right back
AJ: These documents you've gotten Katherine are just bombshell, and
of course you've got them and excerpts from them on your website and
we'll talk about that in a few minutes. What else is in the
documents, I mean not just how they are already in the shoes and
they're going to read you. There was an article in the Washington
Post last year that said they've got pressure plates and cameras that
read your eye movements, how long you watch something for
psychological algorythms to be built, psychological dossiers on us,
that was in the Washington Post. I don't know if you saw that article
where they admitted all this. But what about their statements about
pacifying us and about neutralizing opposition and manipulating the
public, can you tell us about that.
KA: Sure, I think one of the big problems with the Auto ID centre,
and hence the over 100 companies affiliated with it right now, is
that they have an enormous problem with consumers right now, 78% of
consumers they have studied in their own internal documents have
stated that they are extremely concerned or somewhat concerned about
privacy invasion associated with this technology, 61% are concerned
about electromagnetic energy affecting their physical health. So
they've got a big problem, and their big problem is called a public
relations nightmare. They have called in heavy hitter PR firm
Fleischman Hiller to devise a PR strategy for them, and one of the
things, they've actually done two things, they've called in
Fleischman Hiller to come up with a PR strategy, the second thing
they actually say is a whole bunch of consumers all around the world,
Japan, Germany, England, The United States, France, and what they've
found in every case the people surveyed there did not like the
technology, and in that particular document, Helen Deuce who is their
researcher over there in England, she actually comes right out and
says, well in fact at the November board meeting where all these guys
got together again behind closed doors to talk about this, she
presented the results of the study, and from what I have been told
her comment was that "I have some good news and some bad news, the
bad news is that people really don't like this technology, that's the
result of my study, the good news is that it appears they will be
apathetic and they will not know what to do about it unless someone
comes along and motivates them and wakes them up."
AJ: Exactly, people don't like the New World Order, but they also
feel like they're alone, even though we're the majority. It's gun
control, it's all the issues, the people want their liberties and
their freedoms but they feel disempowered, but we really have all the
power, that's my frustration. Paul Watson, we've really got to
promote Caspian, and we've got to get the word out, I've been talking
about RFID for 5 years, Texe Marrs for 8 years, people. Watson, got
any ideas on how to get the word out on this other than this show?
PJW: Well yeah, Katherine mentioned the fact that this same system
has been implemented in what we call the Echelon countries,
specifically my country, but people in this country say we haven't
got Wal-Mart over here so they are not introducing it, but Wal-Mart
in fact own the major supermarket store over here which is Asda, so
it's the same system being implemented across all those countries.
It's interesting talking about these documents that have just been
released that lay the groundwork and the quote I read, one of the
stories that came out today is that these companies talked about how
they will manage the release of negative stories about RFID, which
mirrors similar documents that came in another context about the
European Union two years ago. The introduction of the Euro. It's the
same agenda talking about how to manage public perception and direct
AJ: So now they've got your direct apathy, think about how arrogant
they are to you and your family folks. Katherine
KA: Let me tell you one of the ways this is actually, an element of
their strategic plan is to encourage apathy, one of things in the
Fleischman Hiller document, one of the many Fleischman Hiller
documents we have obtained they actually say "emphasise in all public
communications with the press the inevitability of this technology",
so emphasise it's coming it's inevitable, there's nothing anybody can
do to stop it.
AJ: That's the same thing with the Euro.
PJW: They use that tactic every time.
AJ: What did the Borg say, "Resistance is futile, resistance is
futile, resistance is futile". Lay down GI you won't be seeing your
sweetheart, lay down Tokyo Rose said. Stay right there Katherine,
amazing information, I want to hear more about these secret documents
you've gotten and how they're panicking, we'll be right back.
AJ: Talking to Katherine Albrecht, we've got my webmaster of
PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Joseph Watson; we'll be hearing more on the
show about his upcoming book "Order out of Chaos". We've got Joan,
Bill and Bob and others that are holding, your calls are coming up in
a few minutes, I am hyperventilating over this issue, this is such a
key area in the fight for liberty, it's like open borders, gun
control, RFID, cashless society, biometrics, these are all the top
most important issues, strategic things to stop the globalists from
putting in, and Paul Watson I'm giving you a mission my friend, I
don't just want an audio file of this interview with Katherine up on
the website, I am asking our listeners, 3 or 4 of you to do this, I
want a transcript of this interview posted, because Greg Palast and
others, the BBC have posted them, the transcripts of this show get
published in major newspapers around the world, I don't know why, I
guess interviews are so insightful with these great guests, listeners
you know who you are, email it to Watson OK, because half the time we
get so many thousands a day, sometimes I won't see it the first day,
email it to tips@...
. Watson, the transcript of this, where
shall they email it to get it posted so millions of listeners can
email it out to folks?
PJW. They can mail it to paul@...
and I'll get that.
AJ: Alright we'll post it under the Prison Planet headline, this is
so important, Katherine I know I'm jumping in over you, I get out of
control on this subject it makes me so mad because I read them years
ago saying what they would do with this, taxation, control, tracking,
you've got the internal document. Before we go any further and we got
these calls, who got the incredible idea at Caspian to go to the site
to snoop around, not hack it, just look around and find their
classified documents of this governmental quasi-private group setting
up this racketeering takeover, how did you get in and get this, tell
about some of the other secret documents you got?
KA: Well let me tell you Alex, what I think one of the most
disturbing parts of this whole thing is that here are the people who
reassure us that we can trust them to put these tagging devices in
everything we come in contact with, that we can trust them because
they are going to use Internet security, and this is actually a quote
from one of their documents, their public relations documents out to
the public saying hey, what about security isn't that going to be an
issue when you put RFID tags in everything and you're tracking
everything through the internet through these massive databases,
their response has been "you don't have to worry about that, we've
got security under control, Internet security is very strong and very
as you go their website
KA: .. all of the data will be protected, so I go to their web site,
you go right to the front page of Auto ID Centre.org, right there you
will see a little search window, you can type in words you want, and
it, well now they've cleaned it up, they've sanitized it since
yesterday, but for many months and potentially even years you could
type in whatever you wanted and you would get access to their
internal documents, these people do not have a clue about security,
they do not have the first idea about how to protect their own
AJ: Katherine, now they're going to tie us all into this grid,
they're the people, this same grid, these same companies, Wal-Mart
and others that if pushed for the social security numbers as an
identifier everywhere now, they admit that has caused the
proliferation of identity theft, and now they're opening a bigger
Pandora's box and they'll offer more tracking and tracing, and
mean this is incredible
KA: I have to say the amount
I mean the idea of leaving these bozo's
in charge of my personal data being collected on me every I went
through RFID tags is enough to send chills down me my spine. I'm not
just talking about massive corporations or government entities that
might want to use it against me, but I'm talking about, you don't
even have to be a hacker to access this kind of information, any
criminal could go online if they had everything online and you know,
downloaded anything that wanted about you, this is nuts, they don't
know what they are doing, we can't trust them with our security, they
are dangerous, they are dangerous because they don't see the future
they are creating, they are dangerous because they don't take
reasonable, even common sense precautions, even to protect their own
selves, which clearly they have an interest in that.
AJ : A criminal can also scan box cars, warehouses, homes and find
out what you've got inside, they admit a lot of these can transmit
over distances between 2 feet and 100 yards, this is what I've read
in the mainstream news and remember this all come on the heels of the
Total Information Awareness Network getting announced by the
convicted felon Admiral Poindexter with their all seeing eye logo of
the pyramid and the Pentagon said everything you buy, you sell, you
email, what you say, will be put in this grand database, that's a
quote and, now you've got Ridge and these documents meeting with
them, you go to their public meetings and they say we've got to get
Homeland Security to be behind this and pushing it, tell us about
those secret documents please
KA: Well the quote I wanted to read to you about Larry Kellen
said, "if we get a declaration from Homeland Security that this is
the step that we need to take to protect the food supply, that's the
step that will move this technology forward"
AJ: We're already hearing that out of Ridge.
and that was in reference to item level tagging which means
putting remote tracking devices on every item in the food chain.
AJ: You said you've got shoes that already have this in it.
KA: That is correct, I was sent these shoes by someone who purchased
them in Hawaii of all places, she got concerned because she saw this
tag on them and sent them to us. Now the company that manufactures
these shoes, we've not yet by the way X-rayed the shoes to find out
if we have a tag in there, if anyone has access to an x-ray machine
and would like to volunteer it to us you can find us online at
AJ: Well, you're up in Harvard country, I'm down in Texas, my dad is
a dentist and oral surgeon, I've got skull x-rays that will scan
KA: Well hey Alex, I'll send them you're way. You can post them on
your website, you can be the first to get the information out about
whether we've found tracking devices in shoes or not.
AJ: Be sure and insure that, I will call you when I get off air and
give you the address to send it to. I will within a day of getting
those will have them x-rayed, and then you want me to dig out with
tweezers the chip itself and maybe scan that as well?
KA: Well you know, it will be interesting to know what exactly they
have put in there, and again for your listeners who may have just
tuned in and missed that portion, I have in my possession a pair of
size 7 Soho shoes, these are women's sandals, in an extruded, a kind
of foam plastic, on them there is an attached tag that
says "www.footstart.com attention our products have theft detection
devices embedded that will be deactivated at the register or the
service desk". That could simply be an electronic, or some other type
of electronic article surveillance device, it could be an RFID chip,
at this point we do not know. What we do know though is that this
company in China has contracted with manufacturing plants in China
and that they are putting RFID tags or RFID like devices in to China
and importing them here. So we want to get to the bottom of that. But
that again is a big question mark, let me get to a few things that
are certain from this website and from the documents that we have.
One of them, the Auto ID Centre has said going through four phases of
testing out their RFID technology, the first and second phases are
now complete, they are now in the middle of phase 3, and phase 3 is
item level tagging among other things, meaning putting them into
individual items, seeing how consumers interact with them, seeing how
the stores and readers interact with them, seeing what happens when
they try to read many dozens of things at a time on a shelf in a
store. Here are the products, I hope that we do get a transcript of
this, because I would like this to be made public. Here are the
products that being tagged currently, it says summer of 2003:
Proctor & Gamble is tagging Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo, its
says Cape Shoe factory Iowa City DC, that means Distribution Centre.
So Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo coming out of there may well be
tagged. Gillette Mach 3 16 pack, Right Guard aerosol deodorant 10oz
cans, that's coming out of Chicago. Unilever a major consumer
products company produces these products that will be tagged Liquid
All Detergent, Caress Soap, that is coming out of Baltimore. Johnson
& Johnson is tagging Care Free, I'm not sure what Care Free is, also
Bedtime Bath out of Olive Branch. Kraft Foods is tagging Maxwell
House coffee and Kraft Cheese Slices out of Fort Worth and Coca Cola
is tagging 2L bottles of Coke, and then it has a comma and it says 8
pack tray, that is out of Cleveland Tennessee, it says bottler there.
Now when I look at another chart from their internal documents it
says, Caress Soap 6 pack, Pantene Shampoo 750ml bottle. On the right
it says Wal-Mart running vertically down between all of these
products, they are all being tested out at Wal-Mart right now. It
says unit and case aggregate, that would mean that potentially they
are talking about back room supplies in the warehouse, and next to it
is the concern, the shelf read, shelf read means putting the
individual products on the shelf and making sure you can read each
individual product. And here's something that has me the most
concerned, Coca Cola, it says shelf and floor read, now floor readers
I think are one if the biggest concerns we face with this technology
Alex, because it has already been demonstrated through research that
has been done associated with the Auto ID Centre that these reader
devices can be embedded into floor tiles and carpet, meaning that if,
and by the way the read range on these, the read range really doesn't
go down about 20-30 feet unless you put a battery in it or unless you
hack around a little. The read range is typically about, I would say
between 5-10 and 15 feet , in that area, but the more powerful
devices have a shorter read range in some cases. Now if you can put
RFID tags into shoes, and if you can get away with hiding them in
shoes and you have radio devices in floors, then there just went away
your read range problem of 20-30 feet to track people, you simply put
down a mat at the entrance of your store or wherever it is you want
to track people and you take a read right off of their shoes.
AJ: In the Washington Post article last year, and Paul will you dig
these up and post them in the story when we do a transcript. They
said that pressure plates will read what you are buying, tiny
cameras, and I know somebody at UT who works for the CIA in the
psychology department, Department of Defence funded. It's all about
retina readers, that read like Blade Runner type movements in the
eyes that get your psychological read off something you read on a
package, and it talks about scanning and tracking you and the store
said that they already have this in the stores in New York is what
they said, where you go in, you buy something, next time you come in
they face scan you, they know what you bought last time, or if you're
wearing the RFID it reactivates it and then they can custom tailor
things to you, did you hear about that?
KA: Well you know that's really the idea to find ways to custom
tailor things to individuals to identity them, I have
That's what they claim on the surface, yeah.
KA: I have in my possession a prototype loyalty card that actually
contains within it an RFID tag that can be read right for your purse,
backpack or wallet
AJ: Well they had the ID in that a few years ago, where the guy, you
they think he's stealing food, he's putting it in his jacket, he
walks out and the security comes over and says "Sir, your receipt"
KA: Exactly, well in that case though the reader device in the
doorway has read the products that he's carrying and presumably also
read some identifier of him so that those products could be deducted
from his payment system, whatever that is.
AJ: That's an IBM Ad for this new chip, Credit Card. Paul Watson any
comments as to what she's saying.
PJW: Yeah, we actually had an article on prisonplanet.com last week
where one of these RFID tags was actually discovered in women's
underwear, so we've got all of these products on top of each other,
but the question now I want to put to Katherine is about Benetton,
because we know that Katherine led a successful campaign against
Benetton to boycott Benetton against putting RFID tags in clothes,
but we recently had an article out of the RFID Journal which is the
main propaganda organ of RFID where Mauro Benetton actually stated
that his company were ongoing with the tests of RFID and that
original back down against that successful campaign was just a
AJ: Yeah Katherine, that question and then also the quotes here out
of the news where you have the documents quote "neutralizing
opposition, pacifying consumers", answer his question and then mine
KA: Well let's see, the issue with Benetton is that Benetton I think
was astonished at the speed and power of the firestorm that consumed
them when they made the announcement that they were going to be
embedding RFID remote tracking devices in clothing labels. Now that
is absolutely over the line, I think everyone who heard the story
agreed, they were inundated with press requests from as far away as
Tasmania, I was on Swedish public radio, we've been featured in
Australia, all over the world people went nuts when they heard about
this. Now what I did not realise at the time apparently is that Mauro
Benetton, a member of the Benetton family is also deeply involved
with a company called Lab ID that is developing and promoting this
label tagging technology, and so apparently our boycott against
Benetton caused a big family rift in the Benetton family, this is
what I have been told from inside sources, that Mauro Benetton had
apparently put in about 15 million dollars to developing this RFID
tag technology and investing in it, and was going to apparently use
his families company, Benetton as one of the first examples of
bringing it to market, and when the rest of the Benetton family had
heard what had happened right in the middle of this firestorm, they
said, you know what, I don't care what you have invested we are
pulling back from this, this is dangerous, we are going to get
AJ: I don't care if they pull back, Benetton. We must target them
just like Smith & Wesson when they tried to do this sneaking anti-gun
move a few years ago. I don't care if they sell it, what they do, we
must salt the earth, anyone, Wal-Mart everyone, we must boycott them
110%, all of them.
KA: You know who I want to call for the biggest boycott of all
against, is Gillette! Gillette is one of the most despicable
companies I have ever come into contact with in working with this
technology. I personally was in a Brockton Wal-Mart, this is another
story I'll give you a little exclusive on here. I went into the
Brockton Wal-Mart after reading in the Boston Globe a few weeks ago
that they were going to begin their shelf level tagging tests the
following week, so I drove an hour or so down there to get to this
store, I went into this store, it was in a predominantly minority
community, that was the first thing that struck my notice, so that
for example if people felt that their privacy had been violated there
wouldn't be a whole lot of Manhattan lawyers potentially shopping
there to sue them
AJ: Yes, disenfranchised groups are always tested on first.
and I had several lengthy conversations with a family who spoke
Spanish, I'm also fluent in Spanish, they were also fluent in
English, so we conversed in both languages about their concerns about
this technology. I was interacting in that store, I was there for
over two hours I spent a great deal of time in front of that shelf, I
even purchased a disposable camera at Wal-Mart and I took photographs
of that shelf which I now have in my possession. Now the astonishing
thing to me is that given that there has been 110 media reports or
Google hits on Brockton Wal-Mart and RFID, when the Brockton
Enterprise newspaper ran a front page story on these smart shelves
being in the Brockton store they back pedalled, they removed the
shelf over night and they claimed they had no intention of doing any
such tests and they did not know what she was talking about.
AJ: That's absolutely amazing, Paul Watson comments, then we're going
PJW: Yeah, we've got a big picture on PrisonPlanet.com of the 6" sign
at Wal-Mart saying RFID is for your safety. Another thing I want to
mention is that Katherine was talking about the Google hits on the
term RFID, I wouldn't be surprise if they actually changed the
terminology for that because we've seen that before with Total
Information Awareness being changed to Talon and then Lifelog
AJ: We see even
KA: Paul, that's an excellent point can I jump in here?
KA: One of things we uncovered in this strategy document by
Fleischman Hiller was that they actually toyed around with the idea
of calling these Green Tags, safer, better, smarter something like
that. Actually promoting them as this wonderful thing that is somehow
going to make the world better. And you know, I saw that and I
thought that is really, that is such a stretch, and you know I really
hope they do something like that because it means they would take a
public splash, they would take this public and believe me the public
will be on them like white on rice.
AJ: That's really stupid because Green Tag is something even easier
to get across to people, RFID is kind of a hard concept. I want to go
to Joan, Bob & Bill, I going to give you each about a minute on the
other side with our guest Katherine Albrecht, and give you out her
web site as well, I want to thank you for joining us Paul Watson.
PJW: OK, thanks Alex.
AJ: Katherine, what about the website for Caspian, how can folks
visit the website and get more informed?
KA: You can find us online as www.nocards.org , we are "no cards"
because we originally started fighting supermarket cards, which are
just a drop in the bucket compared to the data you can collect with
RFID. You can find us online there, you can also do a Google search
under Caspian, we usually come up as the first or second hit on that
search, you can find us there easily if you remember we are called
Caspian. My email address is kma@...
AJ: OK, let's take a call, quickly callers. Thanks for holding, Joan
in Florida you're on the air.
Joan: Hi Alex, out of the regular newspaper Tampa Tribune, "our
opinion", it was June 15, so they can go www.tbo.com and research
this article. "Our opinion, new science of radio tag threatens
privacy", and it also talks in here in on this about this tag card
could be tracked based on where and when you drive your car
AJ: Wow, give me that article and please email it to Katherine. So
Tampa Tribune saying it will be used to tax cars, already happening
with a little bit more sophisticated transponder in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Interesting Katherine.
KA: Yeah. Absolutely, and you know the limits that what this will be
used for are just the limits of the human imagination, if they can
find a reason for collecting the data, this technology will enable
them to do it. Alex, you talk about a number of other concerns about
illegal immigration, about police brutality and other issues, and no
matter what your concern is, envision that the people doing the
oppressing have access to this technology and you will see why this
affects all of us no matter what your freedom issue or your personal
issue, no matter what it is, RFID will take that issue and bring it
to a whole new level of bad.
KA: I've got a document here in front of me I quickly want to tell
you about Alex before we get off the air here. This is the Department
of Defence applications of Auto ID, and this is a Mr Kimble from the
Auto ID who was speaking at a meeting
AJ: They're going to make the Iraqi's wear it!
KA: I'd like to read you something here, Mr Kimble describes four
projects which Department of Defence is pursuing related to Auto ID.
Most of these are pretty innocuous, the Department of Defence needs
to the know the location of materials at all stages of it's
lifecycle, the final one, this is the one that the editors Mr Kimble
knew on some future applications including a telepathy tag, such a
tag does not exists, nor can we guess at how it might work, but the
point is that Department of Defence is careful not to go down a
course of action that precludes adoption of new technology when that
technology becomes feasible. A telepathy tag, what is that?
AJ: It's insane, really quick Bob in New York, thanks for holding.
Bob: My training is in electronics, and there is a device called the
Degausser, a stick or a degaussing device that's used in the picture
tube industry or TV set industry, if you just search Degaussing coil
on the internet I'm sure you'll be able to find it, you just can't
use that device around any electronics or it will blast it, it will
blast out those RFID tags.
AJ: Thanks for your call.
KA: Anybody listening please go to our website at www.nocards.org, we
need you, we are organizing local chapters, join us, hit the feedback
form and please sign up.
AJ: Katherine, that's great, I'm going to call you after the show.
[END] *Many thanks to Martin Gammon for transcribing the interview.
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RFID Strategy Docs Leaked
A US consumer group opposing the rollout of RFID tags has grabbed a
bunch of documents from an RFID industry site and mirrored them, in
what it says is an attempt to expose the industry's intended
RFID Privacy Dustup
There were also research documents and presentations
marked "confidential" that addressed public perception of RFID and
strategies to allay fears, inform consumers and set public policy.
Goodbye bar codes: Packages with transmitters on the way
Razor blades and medicines packaged with pinpoint-sized computer
chips and tiny antennae that eventually could send retailers and
manufacturers a wealth of information about the products - and those
who buy them - will start appearing in grocery stores and pharmacies
Mirrors of the Auto-ID RFID docs