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Hi Dorinda you have just inspired me to write a new piece.
for previous work please check here
a bigger piece almost finished is here:
some more ravings to be found here
you might also look at this short intro shot of the recent oekonux
> >also, i would consider writing a piece on these newly established
> >global links as part of our work developing national and international
> >sources of empowerment for women especially in the quickly growing
> >globosphere for the upcoming issue of 'women's institute for freedom
> >of the press', that has invited our contribution.
I would very much invite you to consider the rapidly growing global
villages movement as part of this. Note that we are kind of neighbouring
and kin to Ecovillages, but our approach is a bit different. We focus on
In terms of womens self-unfolding I have seen great stuff here:
Also, it is my belief that there is a deeply
distorted issue of relationship between men and women which must be
reinventing local community is a way to adress this:
I would welcome very much if you
help us making global villages emerge rapidly around the world! Franz
franz, ok, it doesn't make it more clear, except that i agree an
introducton makes sense. though, i'd advise that as moderator one must
be extremely sensitive to merely rejecting. as for me, i've been
around a long time and can attest that all too often we women as
individuals and also representing organizations and national/global
movements are too often guttered by the decision making by men on
women's issues which can demonstrate a knee jerk tendency in denying
voice based on slanted or limited view points.
lets work at not starting out on the wrong footing. i am too
experienced to accept any domineering perspectives nor belittlement
based on prejudice and discrimination. please understand my
appreciation in the profoundly needed forum for bridging efforts for
exchange across the globe. we agree that this is a priority of
necessity and survival, and we cannot be silenced. there are too many
murdered women, especially indigenous and women of color, and this
forum must deliver on its promise of effective exchange or become
defeated of this purpose before it even gets off the ground.
also, i clicked on the link of Minciu Sodas and also need the links
for 'global village', to review the critieria and goals for better
understanding of protocol and exchange. i would appreciate it if you
please send. thank you.
also, i would consider writing a piece on these newly established
global links as part of our work developing national and international
sources of empowerment for women especially in the quickly growing
globosphere for the upcoming issue of 'women's institute for freedom
of the press', that has invited our contribution.
in solidarity and struggle
elders of 4 colors 4 directions
we are the ones we have been waiting for!
Hi Dorinda, thanks for the prompt answer.
> Yes I am a man, and I am the moderator of this list which tries to focus
> on empowering local communities with global information exchange. I read
> the posts that I reject, and I do reject quite a lot of them when they are
> simply crossposts or news items that are not introduced to the community
> on the base of the theme.
> I decide these issues alone, although Andrius Kulikauskas who is the
> founder of the Minciu Sodas community decides sometimes to override my
> evaluation process with his community news and views.
> I think the coming together of men and women to shape more cooperative
> local communities is a very important and decisive step, Of course we are
> not focused so much on goverment measures like laws on maternity leave or
> paternity leave, but on things that happen in a more informal way on local
> level and more on a voluntary base.
> What would therefore be much more in the focus of Global Villages would be
> the local initiatives to share childcare, professionalise childcare, take
> the burden from households by creating more common life maintainance
> hope this makes things a bit clearer
> all the best
dorinda moreno's reply upon rejection
please send your criteria for posting... i am new to list, but the below speaks for itself.
>>are you a man? why was it rejected? did you even read it? who else has
>>seen this besides yourself, franz?
RIGHTS: Engaging Men in Gender Equality Efforts
By Fabiana Frayssinet
April 3, 2009, Inter Press Service
RIO DE JANEIRO, Apr 2 (IPS) - How many men work in day care
centres, looking after children? How much paternity leave are
men entitled to? How many government programmes to combat
domestic violence include violent men themselves as part of
the treatment? The ball is in the court of national
governments, and it is up to them to answer these questions,
according to participants at an international congress on
The first global symposium on Engaging Men and Boys to
Achieve Gender Equity, being held from Monday, Mar. 30 to
Friday, Apr. 3 arose, in fact, out of the deafening official
silence on the matter, according to Marcos Nascimento, co-
director of the non-governmental Promundo Institute.
Over a decade after agreeing that men's participation is
essential for "overcoming gender inequalities," governments
do not appear to have fully taken this commitment on board,
Nascimento said in an interview with IPS.
Nascimento belongs to a network of NGOs that address
masculinity from a feminist viewpoint, incorporating a gender
Any such initiative is bound to "have greater scope" if it is
backed by public policies, he said.
The symposium was organised by the Promundo Institute and
Instituto Papai (Daddy) of Brazil; the White Ribbon Campaign,
based in Canada; Save the Children, an international
organisation; MenEngage Global Alliance, a coalition of NGOs
and United Nations agencies; and the United Nations
Population Fund (UNFPA).
Promundo is working for parliamentary approval of a draft law
to expand paternity leave for workers from the five days they
are entitled to at present, to at least a month. Brazilian
women workers already have the right to six months' maternity
Paternity leave is essential for men to become involved in
the care of their children, a role traditionally allocated to
women, activists say.
"If there are positive role models in a family for caregiving
by fathers, in future men may turn out to be more gender-
equitable," Nascimento said.
The symposium, which has drawn more than 450 representatives
from 80 countries, aims to establish dialogue between
different actors, in order to define lines of action and
foment knowledge and learning from initiatives that have
already been implemented.
"We are talking about co-responsibility, which is a key word
nowadays," said Minister Nilcea Freire of the Brazilian
government's Special Secretariat of Policies for Women (SPM).
"Engaging men in the debate on equal opportunities for men
and women means redistributing responsibilities, so that
care-giving and household work no longer fall exclusively on
women's shoulders," the minister told IPS.
On the first day of the symposium, Freire launched a new
pilot project on education and responsibility for men who
have committed violence against women. Developed as part of
public policies to combat gender violence, it is the first of
its kind in this South American country of 189 million
The project is working initially with a group of 46 men who
have assaulted women. Without doing away with the penalties
under Brazilian law for crimes of violence, the new centre
incorporates activities like group dynamics, workshops, and
opportunities to reflect on the ideas and values that can
lead to violence against women.
Based in Nova Iguaçu, a poor district in Rio de Janeiro with
high indices of violence against women, the programme is to
be extended into other regions in the future.
"The intention is to promote the men's commitment to the
development of new kinds of interpersonal relationships, and
to avoid and prevent violent behaviour within the family,"
Fernando Acosta, the creator of the initiative, told the
"If men are part of the problem of violence against women,
they must be part of the solution," Nascimento remarked.
A report presented by the Special Secretariat of Policies for
Women indicates that in 2007, 5,760 women were victims of
violence in this country, mainly at the hands of men.
Debates are also taking place at the symposium along other
lines regarded as having strategic importance for promoting
gender equity, like men's engagement in matters of sexual and
reproductive health and the prevention and treatment of AIDS.
Studies presented by UNFPA show that the social construction
of masculinity is closely associated with risk-taking
behaviour, creating "an environment where risk is acceptable
and even encouraged for 'real' men."
A qualitative research project carried out in nine Latin
American countries revealed that young men and boys aged 10
to 24 are "far more concerned with achieving and preserving
their masculinity than their health."
This study, according to UNFPA, confirms that the dominant
ideology underlying masculine attitudes can result in
"earlier sexual initiation and more sexual partners," less
intimacy in sexual relationships and a reluctance to use
The deputy director of UNFPA, Purnima Mane, said that views
on masculinity need rethinking, not only because the
behaviour of boys and men affects women and girls, but also
because men and boys need to free themselves from oppressive
and stereotyped expectations about their behaviour that are
harmful to their own health and life, as well as the health
and life of their male or female partners.
These behaviours begin in the home, where parents assign
girls "feminine" tasks - washing the dishes, cooking,
cleaning, looking after the children – and give boys
"masculine" ones - cutting the lawn, "using Daddy's tools,"
and going out on the streets at an earlier age.
According to Inés Alberdi, the executive director of the
United Nations Development Fund for Women (UNIFEM), these
social norms and attitudes should be included in reflections
on masculinity, a concept traditionally framed "in relation
to (assumptions about) women's inferiority."
Alberdi, who is on her first visit to Latin America, launched
the UNIFEM report "Progress of the World's Women 2008/2009:
Who Answers to Women?" in Rio. To encourage "positive" new
concepts of masculinity in men and women, the thinking of
boys and men about fatherhood needs to be focused on "caring,
closeness and tenderness," she told IPS.
In Spain, Alberdi's home country, the law provides for
biological or adoptive fathers to take paternity leave of up
to 10 weeks, out of the total of 16 weeks of statutory paid
parental leave, she said. The first six weeks are compulsory
maternity leave for women after giving birth, but the rest of
the parental leave period can be freely distributed between
The head of UNIFEM said another way that the state should be
"accountable" to women is through "budgets with a gender
perspective" that redirect public spending.
She cited examples of health, education, agriculture and
sanitation policies and small credit funds that are
particularly aimed at women.
Alberdi also emphasised the importance of having official
data, statistics and indicators that are disaggregated by
gender, as an information base for designing affirmative
action in the future.
In the political, labour and business worlds, Alberdi said it
is necessary to adopt "quota" policies for women's
participation as a transitory measure designed to promote "a
balance of power and responsibility" between men and women.
On average, barely 18.4 percent of parliamentary seats are
occupied by women worldwide. If the present rate of progress
is maintained, it could take 40 years to achieve the "ideal
balance" of between 40 and 60 percent for either sex, she
"Spontaneous change is slow," so transitory measures like
quotas are needed to accelerate the achievement of gender
balance, Alberdi said.
Women in positions of power would reinforce the future
implementation of public policies with a gender perspective
to create a more egalitarian society, she said, thus
generating a virtuous cycle for a less machista and sexist