Just want to add my 2 cents in regards to Ralph's comments...
>>I have never subscribed to the theory of so many SIHR members,
>>which is to hoard data, keep it unavailable, and then make secret
>>deals to share it under the provision that it can be shared with no
>>one else. I am not holding back any set of data under subscription
>>or pay services.
I have only been a SIHR member for about 5 years, but in that time have
become a rather central part of most aspects, acting as webmaster and
newsletter editor. I have never considered that we "hoard" data, and
have certainly not made any secret deals for data. The hockey news or
paper xyz calls, and I write custom queries to try to answer the
question. Some clown trying to win a Leafs contest calls, I say so
sorry...no time. I decide what happens with the data and who gets it,
and have only ever dealt with one person with which we have exchange
data. No other person has ever approached me. As for copying "total
hockey", the stats actually came from us in the first place. And, we
are so far beyond on the NHL now that it only makes up a small portion
of our stats. Also, we never, ever intended to compete with hockey DB.
That is almost impossible at this point in term of recognition. Plus,
we really only have the basics (G-A-P). It is not intended for hard
core stats guys and poolies, but rather a decent historical record of
all levels of organized hockey.
In regards to to the "subscription" part, please remember that SIHR is
not just a stats DB, but an organization that offers quarterly
newsletters and an annual journal (hard copy snail mail stuff) in
addition to the stats DB. How are we supposed to finance that? So, we
made the decision to make the website accessible only to members, where
they can access the stats, and the publications in PDF format. We also
have two meetings a year. Finally, I am really against having pop-up
adds and annoying banner ads (sorry, I just hate them), so the small
$25/year fee per member allows us to avoid this form of cost recovery
for hosting fees.
>>I can understand why the SIHR attitude evolved the way it did. I
>>never created hockeydb.com as a business venture,...
SIHR is 100% volunteer operated. We do not make any $, so calling it a
business venture is not reasonable. I have spent many hours like you
fixing messed up stats, licking enveloppes and so on, and I get
absoluteluy no money. I invest all of my time in programming and and
design for free, just like you.
So...let's all just get along :-)