To both Youngblood and Rat - I thank both of you for your thoughtful
and interesting input. I hadn't really thought about the setup and
takedown time. As you say, it can be complicated.
I have usually tried to follow the KISS principle (Keep It simple
Stupid). The times that I don't, it usually turns out bad.
I use the HH Backpacking A-sym which has the side tie-outs for the
hammock. I looked at the inside pics of Youngboold's tarp when setup
in tent mode. No room for the hammock side tie-outs. I have a few of
the Micro Grip Clips and was going to use them for the middle tie outs
(and forego the permenently positioned side middle tie outs), then I
could haved tied the hammock side tie outs to one side of a Grip Clip
and then the other side of the Grip Clips just tie out as normal.
Also, the Grip Clips would let me vary the position of the middle tie
out points to the appropriate position for the terrain.
Again, setup gets complicated.
Note: the following is off the top off my head - thinking as I type.
I am thinking of going then to a simple 10' x 10' silnylon tarp. The
fly/tarp supplied standard with the HH BPA is 11' 7" along the
diagonal which is more than enough for the length of the hammock, 9'
7". However, getting the side tie outs positioned properly to protect
the side of the hammock is not easy and takes (at least for me) some
re-positioning and tightening and loosening of the tie outs and even
then the sides on the long side cuts are somewhat exposed. I had
considered the MacCat, but in reviewing the material on one web site,
it turns out that the MacCat doesn't really supply any more protection
for the hammock sides at the end than the stock fly/tarp or a simple
8' x 8' square tarp rigged on the diagonal.
With the 10' x 10' tarp I can rig it A-Frame style and get maximum
hammock end protection or rig it diagonally and get maximum side
protection. An 8' x 8' tarp rigged diagonally would give me the same
diagonal as the stock Hennesy fly/tarp, but would be about 1' 7" too
short for the hammock when rigged as an A-Frame. 10' x 10' would give
me over 14' of diagonal. I will probably cut the sides on a catenary
to prevent flapping. With all 4 sides cut on the catenary, I can rig
either diagonally or A-Frame. Also, with 10' x 10' and cut on a
catenary, I can get the weight down to about 14 oz. (assuming 1.3 oz
silnylon ripstop) or slightly over 12 oz using 1.1 oz ripstop.
I will probably leave the tie out straps off and just use the Micro
Grip Clips, that makes the sewing easier - hem the edges and fell seam
the middle seam and seam seal it. If you haven't used the Micro Grip
Clips for silnylon, I highly recommend them (I have no financial
interest in them whatsoever).
hmm ... 10' x 10', 6 2/3 yards, need to purchase 7 yards, less than
$42 for the material. Tempting. Now if I had a lot of money, I could
get 7 yards of Cuban for $168 and the tarp would weigh slightly over 3
oz. Only it would be rectangular, 10' x 8' 4". Is Cuban waterproof??
That's a day dream!
For a 10' length, what would you recommend for the depth of the
catenary? I'm thinking maybe 3".
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...> wrote:
> Rat is right, the tarp tent that I have is not only complicated to
> make it is complicated to use. The way I've used mine I can justify
> it's weight and bulk for the benefits it provides in cold conditions
> but the setup and take down time is problematic as well as sloping
> ground. It is not so bad in nice weather but that is not when I
> want to use it as even in a high hung A-frame pitch it blocks more
> view than I prefer. In nice weather it might double or even triple
> the time it takes to mess with setting it up as a hammock tarptent
> versus a decent size tarp; in bad weather that is significant and it
> can get worse because in bad weather you don't operate as
> efficiently and often have more trouble doing simple task correctly
> the first time. Even take down time can be miserable when it is
> cold and everything is wet because you can't really handle the tarp
> and guylines with thick warm gloves on and after a certain amount of
> time you have to stop and rewarm your hands before continuing.
> It is kind of tantalizing because it is very nice to have a warmish
> protected area when it is freezing cold and breezy to sleep in,
> change clothes in and cook. I think you could use the old candle in
> your cook pot routine to warm things up in the morning as well...
> but there are these dang tradeoffs.
> --- In email@example.com, "Rat" <hogn8r2004@> wrote:
> > Yes, I built the Youngblood tarp-tent. Jsut like his, and it works
> > just the way you think it would from the pictures. I also built
> what I
> > thought would be an improvement on it. A totally enclosed design I
> > lovingly dubbed "The Tunnel of Hate", you can proly guess how that
> > turned out. I also prototyped a convertable tarp system for total
> > weather protection called "Uber-tarp". All of these were built
> > 1.1 or 1.9 oz material, they were prototypes after all, and each
> > been scrapped.
> > My main reason for scraping all of these is very simple. They were
> > COMPLICATED! 1) They all needed pretty much identical set up
> > each time. And it's just not realistic to expect to find
> the "perfect
> > spot" evey time. 2) The Uber-tarp had 22 tie out points, that's
> > of cord to keep up with, not to mention stakes. 3) The complexity
> > the tarp-tent wasn't that bad, but it was more than the benefits.
> > Uber-tarp was just way too complicated. Entry and Exit required
> > a minute each. 4) Weight 5) Set up time was crazy long.
> > One of the main benefits to me with a tarp and hammock system is
> > relative ease of operation. Set-up, entry, exit and breaking are
> > I was making it much too complicated.
> > I finally settled on a 10 x 10 tarp and a weather sock (like
> > and Risks Travel Pod). I have never gotten wet with just the tarp,
> > I use the sock to cut the wind in extreme cold. This system is
> > extremely flexible, simple and light.
> > Rat
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "chcoa" <jdeben@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On that note would Youngblood be willing to sell a few of these
> > > interested tree hangers. I have tried a simular set up to this
> > > it worked great. I don't have any sewing skills however and
> > > type of thing is not on the market to my knowledge.
> > >
> > > How about it sir????
> > >
> > > jamie in az