> > lightpotential wrote:
> > >
> > > Indeed it is interesting to consider, how would one know light
> > > without darkness? I do think that there are entities in
> > that
> > > do partake of only one of these. That is, beings that are
> > at
> > > one with the 'concept' of love, who simply do not know of
> > > and also, beings of such malevalence that are so completely
> > ignorant
> > > of goodness. It is possible for some entities to know only one
> > > quality, without the other, I think. We humans are in fact in a
> > most
> > > interesting state of being in that we can contemplate both,
> > > a 'stand-off' position and choose, through our actions, whether
> > > manifest as beings of light or darkness. This is one of our
> > essential
> > > characteristics, I think.
> > >
> > Hi LightPotential,
> > In contemplating beings that are at one with the 'concept' of
> > or beings that are completely ignorant of goodness, how does one
> > to understand either one without an understanding of both?
> > for example, if i saw a being of complete love, part of my
> > understanding and recognition is informed by what i know it is
> > ignorance of goodness,malevalence,and darkness, and this, in
> > to what i understand and recognize as it's qualities which are
> > light,compassion.
i was trying to explain what i meant in context to what i had wrote
in my previous post, so i guess we agree on that point, color me
> You essentially raise the very point that I made myself, which was
> the uniqueness of the human condition, in that we, as it even says
> the Bible, can know good and evil. If we recall through, prior to
> event of eating the fruit, Adam and Eve were in a state of
well, the Gnostics seem to have a very different idea of this event.
in the text from the Nag Hammadi Library called "On the Origin of the
World" it says:
"Then came the wisest of all creatures, who was called Beast. And
when he saw the likeness of their mother Eve he said to her,"What did
God say to you? Was it 'Do not eat from the knowledge'? She said "He
said not only 'Do not eat from it", but, 'Do not touch, lest you
die." He said to her, "Do not be afraid. In death you shall not die.
For he knows that when you eat from it, your intellect will become
sober and you will come to be like gods, recognizing the difference
that obtains between evil men and good ones. Indeed, it was in
jealousy that he said this to you, so that you would not eat from it."
after they eat of the tree of knowledge it says:
"Then their intellect became open. For when they had eaten, the light
of knowledge had shown upon them. When they clothed themselves with
shame, they knew they were naked of knowledge."
well, then the authorities freak out and curse them, because they are
powerless. however, they set out to test Adam's knowledge.
it goes on to say:
"They became troubled because Adam had recovered from all the trial.
They assembled and laid plans, and they said, "Behold Adam! He has
come to be like one of us, so that he knows the difference between
light and darkness. Now, perhaps he will be deceived, as in the case
of the Tree of Knowledge, and also will come to the Tree of Life and
eat from it and become immortal, and becaome lord, and despise us and
disdain us and all our glory! Then he will denounce us along with our
universe. Come, let us expel him from Paradise, down to the land from
which he was taken, so that he might not be able to recognize
anything better than we can."
> Obviously, from a gnostic perspective more could be read into this
> story, for 'God' in this example can be interpreted to be the
> Demiurge. However, be that as it may, the idea that I am trying to
> put forward is that beings of love can be innocence in their
> essential nature, such that they do not comprehend evil, and
> likewise, a truly malevalent being acts blindly, because they too
> not comprehend goodness. In both instances, such beings are not
> to consider or deliberate on such matters. Humans on the other
> are. I believe that we possess a certain capability that does allow
> us to contemplate both natures. We can contrast them, as we see
> manifested in the world. Some beings, I believe truly do exist,
> do not possess this ability.
LightPotential, i guess i don't quite understand what you mean by
beings other than humans, are you speaking of beings that have
influence upon humans in their essential natures? Spirits and Demons?