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, Mike Leavitt <ac998@l...> wrote:
> Hello Ann
> On 18-May-03, you wrote:
> > Can someone explain the rites or examples of the rites used by the
> > early Gnostics to "induce" gnosis. Hoeller describes some of these
> > rites in his latest book, but they seem to be nothing more than
> > iniation rites of the roman catholic church....except the
> > church has substituted marriage for the bridal chamber. Maybe rite
> > is not the correct word...maybe the Gnostic mysteries is more
> > am looking to be explained. In some of the gospels it mentions
> > there were five. Can someone help me out with these or make a
> > suggestion on a book that explains them better than Hoeller's did?
> I think my good Bishop bit off more than he could chew there. You
> can't explain the Sacraments, you have to experience them. Besides,
> we have no real idea of their original gnostic form, only hints.
> Look at the situation today. Staying strictly with the Orthodox, if
> you attend an Anglican (Episcopal) mass, a RC mass, and an Eastern
> Orthodox mass, they are quite different. The Eastern one even uses
> different rite. You might even wonder if they were all the same
> service. I suspect it was similar back with the Gnostics. As
> Augustine puts it, a Sacrament is an outer sign of an inner state of
> grace. Try and explain that.
> If you enjoy clairvoyant accounts, C. W. Leadbetter's THE SCIENCE OF
> THE SACRAMENTS, actually contains some suggestive material, as does
> Geoffrey Hodson's THE PRIESTLY IDEAL. But both are Theosophists,
> a bit literal minded for me. Stephan also did a pamphlet years ago
> taking the mass from beginning to end, but I don't remember the
> title. You might try a search under mass and sacraments on our
> webpage, and see what you come up with. But if you find someone who
> can explain the sacraments clearly and concisely, please report
> Mike Leavitt ac998@l...
Thanks for replying...and by no means was I saying anything
discouraging about Hoeller's work. I have heard some of the tapes of
his classes or lectures and they were very good. I probably didnt
phrase my question right...I am just wondering what the sacraments
were that are mentioned in the gospels as they relate to the
unlocking of gnosis.