> K. Dietzfelbinger wrote about Schopenhauer in his book
> "Schopenhauers Vermaechtnis" (Legacy of Schopenhauer).
> Dietzfelbinger also wrote comments on many NHL texts in 4 books.
> His conclusions on the NHL texts and on Schopenhauer are
> quite similar in essence.
I have not read this book Klaus, too bad it is not in English (I
venture to guess that few of our members speak German fluently, I do
not for sure). I have however read treatments of this sort concerning
other philosophers. I once read a whole book outlining supposed
similarities between Marx and Gnosticism. In fact, most of the
similarities were entirely incedental (not to mention historically
innacurate in it's understanding of "Gnosticism"), and I would say
that the same is true with such a comparison with Schopenhauer (I
have read Schopenhauer BTW, and I am sypathetic... especially
concerning his oppinions on art). Of course, Schopenhauer did have an
interest in some Classical philosophers, so it is no surprise that
there are going to be some similarities, however, the fact remains,
Schopenhauer was not "Gnostic". Schopenhauer himself saw his
philosophy as having much more in common with eastern religion, which
is in some wasy the exact opposite of Gnosticism.
> In my postings, Schopenhauer is used just to explain the role of
world denunciation, which is not a typically Gnostic one, but an
important aspect in some forms of Gnosticism, especially that of the
Thank you Kraus, that is indeed more to the point. The Tesimony of
truth is indeed very ascetic, and is yet another observation of the
probibility that most Gnosticism was not. In fact, this direct
statement of asceticism is rare.
> Encratism is alien to classical Judaism, thus its origins must be
elsewhere, best bet are the Indian religions. Also the more
ascetic/contemplative Esseni borrowed implicitely from India.<
I find that very improbable. More likely is the simple Hellenization
that Judism had been exposed to. This was a very common Roman
> The shortcomings of Beethoven are in the texts of his songs, which
show heavy traits of Hegelianism, especially in the 9th symphony.<
I have heard this speculation by writers before. But Klaus....
Beethoven did not write the lyrics to his 9th, they were written by
Schiller. Schiller's primary philosophical influence was Kant (He and
Goethe were also influenced by Platonism and Renaissance Neoplatonism
as I recall. This Neo-mysteries seems a better bet for influence of
the pseudo-pagan lyrics in the 9th), the same person who influenced
Schopenhauer. What's more, Schiller died a year before Hegel
published "Phenominology and the Mind", his first influential work.
Schopenhauer was familiar with the works of Schiller and Goethe (who
were good friends), and gives them favorable reviews for the most
part (which is not to say he agreed with them philosophically of
course, he could not have.... unless his asceticism was partially
meant to be a little humerous, and it may well have been.)
Schopenhauer even collaborated with Goethe on "Theory of Colour". (it
should not surprize us that these people with very different views
could still respect each other, that does tend to be the mark of true
philosophers. Dogmatic polemics are best left to mere religiousity.)
Not only have you attributed your dislike to the wrong person, you
have done it with an ahistorical line of reasoning. I doubt Schiller
was thinking about Hegel when he wrote the words in question. Not
that it matters if he did.... since _none of this_ is Gnostic.