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, Terje Dahl Bergersen
Like Ireneaus did not know that the
Gospels describes Jesus as not having been crucified at the
age of 50, Ireneaus does not honestly know how the earliest
even in his vicinity, the Gaul area, identified eachother towards
Unlike many other modern gnostics I tend to have a bit of
forgiveness towards Irenaeus, since of course much of what is
to blame later results from later interpretations of Irenaeus.
Like the 50 year old Jesus tradition he espouses, he also
espouses doctrines which are contrary to Paul, so not only was
he unfamiliar with the gospels - if any had trul been written at his
time of what the Cgurch now holds as canonical - but he also
demonstrates a lack of familiarity with Paul -
2. But vain in every respect are they who despise the entire
dispensation of God, and disallow the salvation of the flesh, and
treat with contempt its regeneration, maintaining that it is not
capable of incorruption.
contrast with Paul:
1Co 15:50 -
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the
But he is going by the traditions he was taught mouth to ear.
the concept of sola scriptura however is a falsity since of course
as gnostics we recognize a number of extracanonical writings as
well as the power of apostoloc tradition - after all the canon was
agreed upon by the ecumenical councils.
Irenaeus, despite his railings against Valentinus does make
other very beautiful points which i am not entirely willing to
disregard - after all, other than the Gnostics a number of other
positions were decided against; monarchism, modalism,
donatism etc, etc, all of which have compelling arguments in
their favor - the monophysite being one such.
Unlike the impudently sarcastic and cynical tertullian, I think
Irenaeus was sincere in his criticisms of Valentinus. Elsewhere
Irenaeus called for tolerance of Montanists - so how closed and
dogmatic was he really?
At any rate, i do not think Irenaeus is as black as those would try
to paint him and in many ways I find him less sinister than
tertullian or Hippolyte.