"...Hans Jonas has insisted that an anti-cosmic dualism is the essential
ingredient of Gnosticism. The same point has been stressed recently by K.-W.
Tröger: 'Primarily the Gnostic religion is an anti-cosmic
"A major difficulty in accepting an inner Jewish origin for Gnosticism is
to account for the anti-Jewish use which most Gnostics seem to have made of the
'Jewish' elements. The anti-cosmic attitude of the Gnostics contradicts the
Jewish belief that God created the world and declared it good. According to
Troger, 'But in my view, the hypothesis of a "revolt" within Judaism
would hardly be sufficient in accounting for the fundamental and radical
anti-cosmism in such a lot of Gnostic writings'."
appreciate anyone's help here.
Crispin Sainte III
Hello pmcvflag ... Actuallly literal acceptance of authorship and age was quite common. Regards -- Mike Leavitt ac998_@_lafn._org remove - s
Message 36 of 36
, Oct 2, 2005
On 10/02/05, you wrote:
> Hey Mike
>>>> Wasn't the emerald tablet known before the Renisance rediscovery
> the Hermetic texts, and cited by earlier Alchemists? If so, that
> could lead to the idea it was more ancient. The Sephir Yedzirah was
> out there long before the Zohar, for instance.<<<
> If I recall, the oldest version of the "Emerald Tablet" is from
> around the 800s (AD), in Arabic. I think there were translations
> from the 1200s in medieval Europe, and certainly there have been
> people who thought these texts were very old. I am not sure exactly
> where the discovery era presents any genuine reasoning for an older
> date for the text, but of course even though the notion is not
> relavant in modern thinking it could have been part of the reasoning
> for people at the time. I can't say for sure. However, if you think
> about it from the Renaissance rational, Hermes was a real person
> from the time of Moses, which means that all hermetic writings that
> were valid came from this historical person. So even then some texts
> would not have predated the others.
> It is true, the Sefer Yetzirah predates the Zohar.... but it is also
> from a different tradition than the Zohar. So, this could be more
> like comparing pre-Hermetic ideas of "Hermes" with those of the
> Corpus Hermetica. Yes, they predate them, but they also tell us a
> limited amount about them.
> So, you could have a point there... the mere fact that the texts
> were more popular and known before the Corpus Hermetica were
> rediscovered could have lead some thinkers to the idea that they
> were older. However, I am not sure exactly where this thinking would
> have come from... all things considered.
Actuallly literal acceptance of authorship and age was quite common.
Mike Leavitt ac998_@_lafn._org remove -'s
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