Mike This is from The (First) Apocalypse of James, and it s what came to my mind when I read your post. Now when James heard these things, he wiped away theMessage 1 of 1 , Sep 16, 2004View SourceMikeThis is from The (First) Apocalypse of James, and it's what came to my mind when I read your post.
Now when James heard these things, he wiped away the tears in his eyes and very bitter [...] which is [...]. The Lord said to him, "James, behold, I shall reveal to you your redemption. When you are seized, and you undergo these sufferings, a multitude will arm themselves against you that <they> may seize you. And in particular three of them will seize you - they who sit (there) as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they also take away souls by theft. When you come into their power, one of them who is their guard will say to you, 'Who are you or where are you from?' You are to say to him, 'I am a son, and I am from the Father.' He will say to you, 'What sort of son are you, and to what father do you belong?' You are to say to him, 'I am from the Pre-existent Father, and a son in the Pre-existent One.' When he says to you, [...], you are to say to him [...] in the [...] that I might [...]."
These toll collectors who steal souls are the same as the watchers, was my understanding.
love from annie----- Original Message -----From: Mike LeavittSent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:04 PMSubject: [Gnosticism2] Re: Do non-Gnostics enter the Kingdom?I seem to remember reading somewhere, maybe even in Nag Hammadi, that
the souls (and spirits) of those unenlightened were pulled back down
to the world if they could not pass the watchers (let's not get this
picture of reicarnation mixed up with Hindu Karma or Theosophical
Evolution, BTW neither were a concern of any gnostic group I know
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