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• Actually, the 4C move occurs at move 15. Is it possible that you jumped over moves 16 & 17 when interpreting my solution to deal #080488? Below is a detailed
Message 1 of 34 , Oct 1, 2003
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Actually, the "4C" move occurs at move 15. Is it possible that you
jumped over moves 16 & 17 when interpreting my solution to deal #080488?

Below is a detailed move analysis of my solution. The move number is on
the left -- followed by the move and any auto-moves it generates.

"**" indicates an empty free cell or column. "*C", "*D", "*S", and "*H"
indicate empty foundation cells.

I think everything else is fairly self-explanatory.

#080488 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (BFS Solver)

============================== Depth 0
** ** ** ** *C *D *S *H

2H JH 8S 9S 9C TC AH 9H
4D JS 2D 5C 5D 3H 5S AC
AS 7S KC TH 6D 4H KD 2S
QC 6H 8D JD 9D 4S 6S 4C
KH QS TS 2C JC 3C 6C 7H
3D 7D QD 8C 8H QH KS AD
3S 7C 5H TD ** ** ** **

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 state
7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 count
------------------------------
42 moves to analyze

1 <5d> [8H->**] <8h> [AD->*D]
2 <56> [JC->QH]
3 <46> [TD->JC]
4 <5c> [9D->**]
5 <5b> [6D->**]
6 <5a> [5D->**]
7 <d5> [8H->9C]
8 <25> [7C->8H]
9 <b5> [6D->7C]
10 <1d> [3S->**]
11 <7b> [KS->**]
12 <72> [6C->7D]
13 <a2> [5D->6C]
14 <8a> [7H->**]
15 <82> [4C->5D]
16 <12> [3D->4C]
17 <82> [2S->3D] <8h> [AC->*C]
18 <48> [8C->9H] <4h> [2C->AC]
19 <a8> [7H->8C]
20 <78> [6S->7H]
21 <38> [5H->6S]
22 <7a> [KD->**]
23 <75> [5S->6D] <7h> [AH->*H]
24 <17> [KH->**]
25 <17> [QC->KH] <1h> [AS->*S] <2h> [2S->AS]
26 <dh> [3S->2S]
27 <15> [4D->5S] <1h> [2H->AH]
28 <31> [QD->**]
29 <47> [JD->QC]
30 <37> [TS->JD]
31 <c7> [9D->TS]
32 <6d> [TD->**]
33 <61> [JC->QD]
34 <41> [TH->JC]
35 <4c> [5C->**]
36 <41> [9S->TH]
37 <31> [8D->9S]
38 <34> [KC->**] <3h> [2D->AD] <2h> [3D->2D]
39 <64> [QH->KC] <6h> [3C->2C] <5h> [4D->3D]
40 <6h> [4S->3S]
41 <65> [4H->5S] <6h> [3H->2H] <2h> [4C->3C] <5h> [4H->3H] <8h>
[5H->4H]
<ch> [5C->4C] <2h> [5D->4D] <5h> [5S->4S] <8h> [6S->5S] <2h>
[6C->5C]
<5h> [6D->5D] <2h> [7D->6D]
42 <2c> [QS->**] <2h> [6H->5H] <5h> [7C->6C] <8h> [7H->6H] <2h>
[7S->6S]
<3h> [8S->7S] <5h> [8H->7H] <8h> [8C->7C] <1h> [8D->7D] <5h>
[9C->8C]
<7h> [9D->8D] <8h> [9H->8H] <1h> [9S->8S] <6h> [TC->9C] <7h>
[TS->9S]
<dh> [TD->9D] <1h> [TH->9H] <2h> [JS->TS] <7h> [JD->TD] <1h>
[JC->TC]
<2h> [JH->TH] <4h> [QH->JH] <7h> [QC->JC] <ch> [QS->JS] <1h>
[QD->JD]
<4h> [KC->QC] <7h> [KH->QH] <ah> [KD->QD] <bh> [KS->QS]

============================== Depth 42
** ** ** ** KC KD KS KH

** ** ** ** ** ** ** **

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 state
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 count
------------------------------
------------------------------ 24 direct column -> column moves
------------------------------ 11 direct column -> free moves
------------------------------ 1 direct column -> home moves
------------------------------ 5 direct free -> column moves
------------------------------ 1 direct free -> home moves
------------------------------ 45 auto column -> home moves
------------------------------ 5 auto free -> home moves

WKRfresno@... wrote:

> OK, 80388.
> But for now, lets look at your 42-move solution for 80488. At move 17
> the C4
> goes 8->2. At move 18 a card goes 4->8, but the S2 has dropped through
> some
> trap door behind Column 8 (possibly reappearing at Column 1, but I
> can't tell).
> Whatever may have happened to the S2, it was not recorded as a move.
> Bill R.
• ... but ... I wrote a solver because I found most deals difficult to solve manually. I have a number of 8x4 deals in the first 1M deals where my solver
Message 34 of 34 , Aug 4, 2004
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--- In fc-solve-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Ty" <tyleary@j...> wrote:
>
> any updates on hard 32000+ games found manually? 80388 is tough,
but
> not like 1941 was. i stumbled onto the solution on the fifth
> attempt. here's the approach i took:
>
> #80388 Attempt: 5 NumFcs=4 (FCPro)
> 3a 1b 1c 1d 13 83 71 87 a3 53
> 53 72 7a 75 74 b4 72 78 c7 17
> 1b d1 a1 21 81 8h 84 46 4a 24
> 14 28 12 27 a1 1a b1 8b 31 a8
> 68 6c 6d 67 26 24 2a c2 a2 6c
> 6a 62 a6 c6 5h 5a 51 5c d5 c5
> 21 32 53 35 37 3c b3 c3 63 43
> 46 42

I wrote a solver because I found most deals difficult to solve
manually.

I have a number of 8x4 deals in the first 1M deals where my solver
required more effort than usual to solve.

Would you like for me to post a few of them for you to try?

If you find them challenging, then I can send more directly to you.
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