At first I thought of throwing in my three cents on some of your comments
and ideas, but then I slept on it (sleep is always a good counsellor!) and
I think it'll be enough just to express a couple of feelings I had when
reading this message. Believe me, I am not personally offended, because I I
don't get offended easily,
especially when I'm a firm believer in something, which I am of what we are
doing in this fabulous community. But I do feel you may have offended some
people in our community!
I think you went a little too far this time, namely in your next to last
paragraph when you said "Did you get anything out of the session (apart from
some new recipes!)?" I do think you 'belittled' honest hard work and genuine
commitment on the part of several WiAs along six weeks, and longer for that
matter (btw, there has been enthusiasm and appreciation for what is being
You show lack of consideration, appreciation and respect for the work of
other colleagues who are giving their best to something they believe in, for
me, a very powerful ingredient in our daily work and life.
I believe there are things we can think but not say!
Isn't it simple to have your say, even if it can be offensive, and then just
excuse yourself at the last minute? You knew perfectly well that you could
eventually be touching on sensitive areas to some Webheads or you wouldn't
have said "As ever, no offence is meant - I know these issues are close to
many hearts (and PhDs) and I don't wish to belittle your efforts".
BTW, Nigel, my feelings are also genuine!
From a proud virtual choir singer to a luddite in the peanut gallery!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Caplan" <nigel@...>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] Preaching to the choir (was: What's good
> Don's comments have dragged me back in from the boundary ... couldn't
> resist this one ...
> >One inevitable failing of any group like
> >Webheads is that it will be almost entirely comprised of
> Indeed -- and this to my mind is one of the major failings with the
> field of CALL: try finding a critical article in a CALL journal. I don't
> claim anything like encyclopaedic knowledge, but I've never seen one.
> I've often moaned on this list about the lack of a critical dialogue
> over the value of computers in education. I'm not saying computers don't
> have a role in language learning, but rather that sometimes we seem to
> be finding excuses to use computers, rather than genuine needs. I'm a
> self-avowed computer-literate technophobe (I use computers but I don't
> particularly like them), which is why I'm on the list - most critics of
> CALL simply wouldn't bother. It's a problem.
> >As I looked over some of the questions on the survey I
> >wondered if any of us would really answer other than "strongly agree."
> Well, that prompted me to fill in the survey, anyway! (BTW, it loads
> very slowly on a modem connection - I nearly gave up on the second
> I'm interested in your comments about the "gendered" discourse of this
> list, Dom. Could you expand a bit? I think I see where you're coming
> from, but I'd like to hear your point. This is possibly something to
> bear in mind -- has any CALL research taken gender into account (we know
> it is nearly always a salient sociolinguistic variable)?
> I have to confess that although I think I know what a CoP is, I still
> don't know why I should care. Beyond formalising something which has
> existed since time immemorial, the discussion (which I confess I haven't
> always been able to read in detail) has left me thinking: so what? I
> still don't see the application to ESL/EFL, I'm afraid.
> I wonder what the silent members of the list who joined this year are
> thinking? Did you get anything out of the session (apart from some new
> recipes!)? Did our discussions make you any more enthusiastic about
> using CALL? Are you members of the virtual choir, or are you sitting
> with me in the luddites' peanut gallery? I'm curious.
> As ever, no offence is meant - I know these issues are close to many
> hearts (and PhDs) and I don't wish to belittle your efforts. My
> questions are all entirely genuine.
> As ever,