... That s a fair summary of my stance, as well. ... I d let it through if it stopped with the first two questions: Does Helge really want to know whyMessage 1 of 5 , May 28, 2003View SourceAt 5/28/03 11:26 AM , elimloth wrote:
> > I wonder whether this moderator would pass a similar instance ofThat's a fair summary of my stance, as well.
> > "literary deja vu" that I could offer in response:
> > [...]
>I would pass this through and be disappointed in the tit-for-tat
> > The moderator will respond that Helge is not making a personalI'd let it through if it stopped with the first two questions: "Does Helge
> > but only asking questions. I wonder, then, whether I would be
> > on Elfing to ask the following "questions" in kind:
> > Does Helge really want to know why _Parma_12 has not been
> > is his "concern" a "political" issue? Does he in fact enjoy
> > to every post by Bill with sarcasm, contempt, and innuendo? Why on
> > earth would that be? *** Or maybe he's just a bitter, friendless,
> > egomaniacal man who must tear down others to make himself feel
>This moderator would not let that one through because of the
>unnecessary personal attack contained within.
really want to know why _Parma_12 has not been reprinted? Or is his
'concern' a 'political' issue?" After that, though, it *does* get into
I considered Helge's "Why Not Reprint?" post to be borderline -- just
barely acceptable. And it doesn't accuse anyone of "enjoying... sarcasm,
contempt, and innuendo", or of being "bitter, friendless, jealous, [and]
>Carl, the only way to normalize relations if is all parties back down.And it gets particularly crazy when the responses are on two different
>Like kind responses continue or escalate the hostile feelings.
"Death and money make their point once more,
In the shape of philosophical assassins..."
"Gunning for the
... But Helge clearly hasn t. And yet, contrary to the stated policy (under which one distorted application of which I was banned) which David Salo himselfMessage 1 of 5 , May 28, 2003View SourceOn Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 02:26 PM, elimloth wrote:
> Yes, he tends to go for those well honed jabs at emotionally sensitiveBut Helge clearly hasn't. And yet, contrary to the stated policy (under
> areas. It is a trait I have asked him (and others) to elide from
> postings to elfling.
which one distorted application of which I was banned) which David Salo
himself drafted, including:
"Obvious ... hate mail will cause the poster to be summarily removed
"a person who continues to violate list guidelines after having been
warned will be assumed to be acting intentionally and maliciously, and
will be immediately banned"
and despite your repeated requests, Helge is _still_ allowed to post
his "jabs". Why?
> I would pass this through and be disappointed in the tit-for-tatDid you ask Helge to tone down his posts? You say you did (see above);
> response. I would send you a note asking you to tone down the post
> because though innocuous to most, it too it a well aimed provocative
and yet he remains on the list (see above).
> This moderator would not let that one through because of theAnd that is exactly what I would expect you to do, in accordance with
> unnecessary personal attack contained within.
the list's guidelines; that is _precisely_ my point. For if you apply
those guidelines only to the one party, while allowing the other (who
is in fact uniformly the _instigator_ of the personal insults) to
repeatedly post attacks and insulting innuendo, you are hardly
maintaining peace, or following the lists guidelines.
> Carl, the only way to normalize relations if is all parties back down.You are preaching to the choir. _I_ know this; it is for _precisely_
> Like kind responses continue or escalate the hostile feelings.
the reason that I decry the (at best) inconsistent or (at worst) biased
and hypocritical list moderation that allows Helge to continue to post
his personal attacks.
You can't tell me that you don't see an implication that I and my
colleagues hope to increase the collectible value of _Parma_ 12 is a
History has shown that Helge will _not_ suddenly become polite; he must
therefore be _strictly_ moderated, and held _to the letter_ of the
moderation guidelines); and if he continues to abuse those guideline,
he should, as the policy David Salo wrote promises, be banned (indeed,
he should long ago have been banned, if David really believed his own
_Why is Helge being held to a different standard from the rest of us_?
... Well whose fault is _that_? ;)Message 1 of 5 , May 28, 2003View SourceOn Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 03:20 PM, Kai MacTane wrote:
> And it gets particularly crazy when the responses are on two differentWell whose fault is _that_? ;)
> lists! <g>