thanks sword, But I need time out-read the letters from Darwin to Harold yesterday.You go too fast and you loose the plot.Thanks for your indurance,you have a special gift or rather its been a privaledge meeting you and all the birds that fly!!!!!
Ill be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Soon pato
Paul Olson <broker84@...
OK, I was a member back then and remember that prior to Darwin appointing
Harold as LEM, Darwin was showing up at seminars either drunk or heavily
medicated. He mentioned back problems, and once even told the seminar
audience that a chela had stabbed him in the back on the inner and that it
had come through to the physical. Bullshit in my opinion.
Darwin was quite a womanizer and had a lot of nice ripe young chelas to pick
My guess is that the Board of Directors worked on him subtly for a long time
to get him to appoint another LEM. He probably thought he could just sit
back and rake in a bundle of money for the rest of his life while Harold
would do all the work. Harold got appointed and was announced to the
membership at a seminar in Anaheim California in 1981.
They both went to seminars for a while and then Darwin stopped showing up.
It took about 2 years for Harold to finally oust Darwin completely and I
won't rehash all that here. There is stuff about this episode all over the
web and in the archives here as well I think.
A month before Harold announced Darwin's ousting, he wrote an article in the
Mystic world for the membership entitled " Methods of the Black Magician"
and the article obviously was about Darwin. Harold advised that a lot of
chelas were having dreams about Darwin tormenting them on the inner and
leading them down to the lower regions....
He later advised the chelas that Darwin had been ousted and was stripped
from the records of the vairagi masters, and advised the chelas to get rid
of anything they had about Darwin, books, tapes etc....
Darwin's demise is a huge embarrassment to eckankar and the chelas simply
don't talk about him much anymore.
In reality, there were court battles, and power plays in eckankar at that
time and Harold just won out.
It is interesting that after Darwin was ousted, the eckankar board of
directors was stripped of its voting powers so that today, Harold is the
only voting member of the Board of Directors. I understand the Harold now
holds eckankar legally as a "Corporation Sole" where he is the sole owner
and the sole voter. This way, no one can later oust him as he did to
Keep researching...you're getting warm here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "pato" <patouz27@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eckankartruth] Re: Do You Hate Eckists ?
With dialogue, it is not important whether we come to agree with each other
or not. It is what we learn along the way that matters. Even when we are at
complete odds, we can still learn the most amazing things if we are willing
to be open to the viewpoints of others.
A little bird gave me some nice advice.to read as much information as
possible on my travels.So I went to one of your links to find out more about
Darwin Gross.What I foung was quite disturbing even though it was one side
of the story.
To be honest I now ask myself the question" how can people so high in the
teachings of Eck not know who the Living Eckmaster is at that time?" I
thought the higher you go the more you knew.Questions go on and on.Need to
Both groups still have the same teachings,Shouldnt a true eckist know
who is who?Why would the Eckmasters allow this to happen? I am confused,need
to know more.Why can eckists not talk about Darwin?
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