3. You've made various comments about different styles of different texts
In the Abhidhamma Pitaka and between these and the suttas and so on. Isn't
this just as true of different parts of the Suttanta?
If instead, we appreciate that the key is in the uniformity of meaning or
Dhamma taught, then these problems don't arise.
The different styles of texts and details (and many other points raised)
are clearly addressed in the commentaries. For example at the end of the
chapter in the Bahiranidana (introductory chapter to the
Sammantapaasaadikaa.,Vinaya commentary, translated by N.A, Jayawickrama,
"Thus, this word of the Buddha which is uniform in sentiment taken as a
whole (without division), and consists of such divisions as the Dhamma and
the Vinaya in the divisions such as those into two and so forth, has been
laid down as, "This is the Dhamma and this is the Vinaya, these are the
first, intermediate, and final sayings of the Buddha, these are the
Vinaya, Sutta, and Abhidhamma Pitakas, these are the Nikayas from Digha to
Khuddaka, these are the nine angas commencing with sutta and these are the
84,000 Units of the Dhamma," was rehearsed together by the assembly of
self-controlled monks with Mahakassapa as their leader verily observing
"And not only this, but other divers distinctions in compilation to be met
in the three Pitakas, such as the stanzas containing lists of contents,
the arrangement into chapters, noting down the repetitions, and the
classification into kindred sections of ones, twos, and so forth, that
into groups of kindred topics, and into group of fifties and so forth,
have been determined when it was rehearsed together in seven months.."
4. Geoff recently quoted from the 'Alagadduupama Sutta'. The simile of the
snake starts with these lines (Nanamoli/Bodhi translation).
"Here, bhikkhus, some misguided men learn the Dhamma - discourses,
stanzas, expositions, verses, exclamations, sayings, birth stories,
marvels, and answers to questions - but having learned the Dhamma, they do
not examine the meaning of those teachings with wisdom."
So what is included here within the Dhamma are (from the Pali):
"sutta, geyya, veyyakarana, gatha, udana, itivuttaka, jataka,
abbhutadhamma, and vedalla." In other words, these are the same 9 angas as
mentioned above in the commentary to the Vinaya.
The same list is given in many other suttas. Before we reject the
Abhidhamma as being included in the 'Dhamma Vinaya', shouldn't we consider
what these terms refer to, especially if this is a sutta being used to
help make the point? In fact, in this classification, the Abhidhamma is
included in the veyyakarana. All the Pitakas are included in the 9 angas
as clarified in the point above.
To elaborate further on the meaning of Dhamma Vinaya and two-fold and
three-fold classifications as Geoff has been referring to this topic.
From the same section of the commentary to the Vinaya:
"How is it twofold as the dhamma and the vinaya? All this, in its
entirety, is reckoned as the dhamma and the Vinaya. Herein the Basket of
the Discipline is the Vinaya, the rest of the word of the Buddha is the
Dhamma. Hence was it stated: Let us, friends, rehearse the Dhamma and
the Vinaya, and: I shall question Upali on the Vinaya and Ananda on the
dhamma. Thus it is twofold as the Dhamma and the Vinaya......
A little later we read:
"How is it threefold according to the Pitakas? Indeed, all this, in its
entirety, has the three divisions as the Vinaya-pitaka, the
suttantapitaka, and the Abhidhammapitaka. Therein, having brought
together all that has been both rehearsed and not at the First
convocation, both Patimokkha, the two Vibhanga, the 22 Khandhaka, and the
16 Parivara, it is called the Vinayapitaka.
"The collection of the 34 suttas beginning with Brahmajala called the
Dighanikaya, that of 152 suttas beginning with Mulapariyaya called the
Majjhimanikaya, that of 7,762 suttas beginning with Oghataranasutta called
the Samyuttanikaya, that of 9.557 suttas beginning with the
Cittapariyadanasutta, called the Anguttaranikaya, and the Khuddakanikaya
consisting of the 15 works: Khuddakapatha, Dhammapada, Udana, Itivuttaka,
Suttanipata, Vimanavatthu, Petavatthu, Thera and Therigatha, Jataka,
Niddesa, Patisambhida, Apadana, Buddhavamsa, and Cariyapitaka, are called
Dhammasangani, Vibhanga, dhatukatha, Puggalapannatti, Kathavattu, Yamaka,
and Patthana constitute the Abhidhammapitaka."
S: Of course, there is a lot more detail yet. Flimsy evidence? It depends
how one reads it and what one places reliance on - such fine detail as
given by the ancient commentators or modern historical scholarship.
to be contd.