Hi pt, ... I have no issues with what you have said, but would just like to emphasise the enormous difference between what is possible, and what is probable. I
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, Dec 3 4:23 PM
On 28 November 2010 17:09, ptaus1 <ptaus1@...> wrote:
> Hi Herman,
> Re 112049
> > H: Just as an aside, the notion of control is a red herring in my
> pt: I think the term "control" is used by Sarah, KenH and others here to
> stand for an akusala citta with (accordingly) akusala cetasikas as effort,
> intention, and others. So, the term is not used in its more conventional
> sense of choice, deciding to do this or that, etc.
> > H: I'm pretty sure that my objection to this is the same
> > as Rob E's. If something comes out of the blue, to only disappear into
> > blue, neither the causes of it's coming or going are known. It may as
> > be a random event, like the blind turtle poking its head through a buoy.
> > no sense of the word could such a random event be construed as
> > of any kind.
> pt: Ok I should have been more clear. When using "momentary arising"
> expressions - I'm not trying to say the arising is unconditioned, but I'm
> pointing towards uniformity of a/kusala. E.g. to me it seems easier to
> consider simple examples - when metta arises briefly (or momentarily), it's
> more likely that it's all kusala, rather than when using an example of how
> much I love my grandmother, since that love can incorporate many different
> instances of metta, worry, attachment, etc. In a similar fashion like when
> talking about a meditation session, which can in essence incorporate many
> instances of a/kusala (sati, hindracnes, etc).
> So, what I was trying to say (if I remember right) is that the arising is
> due to conditions, but the present activity (like a meditation session or
> washing dishes) is not the deciding factor/condition. Hence the conclusion
> that the arising of a/kusala is possible anytime anywhere. Like for example
> a hindrance (akusala) can arise momentarily during a meditation session,
> even though there was sati just a moment before the hindrance arose.
I have no issues with what you have said, but would just like to emphasise
the enormous difference between what is possible, and what is probable. I
don't suggest that you are implying it, but the Dhamma does not teach that
"anything can happen". Rather, it teaches that those who have developed the
necessary mindfulness will be unassailable in their virtue, no matter what
> Best wishes
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> Also, Rob, Han and others may be interested to check under "Anusayas" in "Useful Posts" in the files - there the current Thai translation series as well as other helpful posts on anusayas (latent tendencies) can be found.
> Rob, also see "Nibbana6 and Parinibbana" for more on this topic.
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