... From: Rick McCallister To: email@example.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Gemination in Celtic ok but akouter isMessage 1 of 302 , Apr 1, 2008View Source
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From: Rick McCallister
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Gemination in Celtic
ok but akouter is from Latin,
*smakk- acquired a prothetic vowel in standard French
but perhaps not in N. French.
Check it out
How does N. French treat Gmc toponyms beginning in sC-
(C for any clustered consonant)?
Note that the Norman French changed the endearing name
of Snottingham into Nottingham --or so I've read, and
I think there was a Stuttingham > Tuttingham (vel
So if Norman French did something similar in England,
something analogous may have occured in N. French.
Ecuires < skura (Saxon)
Etaples < stapel (Dutch)
Escalles < skali
Estournel < strumel
Estrun < strom
Escobecques < skaldu-bek
There are clear examples
with a e i o ou
that initial vowels never fall.
... I like your mechanism better than opt. loss of *h2. However (and I may have missed something earlier), I am still puzzled by the lack of Olsen sMessage 302 of 302 , Feb 23, 2012View Source--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>I like your mechanism better than opt. loss of *h2. However (and I may have missed something earlier), I am still puzzled by the lack of Olsen's h1/h2-preaspiration everywhere but in this particular suffix. We do not see it with *h1 in Lat. <-ple:tus>, Skt. <pra:ta'-> 'full', or with *h2 in Skt. <ga:tu's> 'gait, way', Grk. <be:tarmo's> 'dance', <amphisbe:te'o:> 'I stride', which have the same root as above. Proposing a new soundlaw to eliminate one or two otherwise independent suffixes seems rather heavy-handed.
> W dniu 2012-02-22 22:15, dgkilday57 pisze:
> > But the acute accent requires a short vowel, so it must be zero-grade.
> In the reconstructible PIE pattern one normally expects e-grade and root
> accent in the neuter and zero-grade and final accent in the collective,
> so the original pattern may have been /*gWéh2-tro-m/ --> *gWáh2tHrom,
> */gWh2-tré-h2/ --> *gW&2tráh2, levelled out in Greek (which generally
> does not preserve the accentual contrast), with the accent and the
> consonants of the original singular and the short vowel of the collective.