... From: Piotr Gasiorowski To: firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:34 AMMessage 1 of 5 , May 4, 2006View Source----- Original Message -----From: Piotr GasiorowskiSent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:34 AMSubject: Re: [tied] Re: PIE genitive plural *-o:m, a possible analysis (*wL'kWo-s)On 2006-05-04 06:22, Patrick Ryan wrote:
> 1. I know of no justification for reconstructing *H3 as the initial.
> While I admit the probability of an initial 'laryngeal', my choice
> would be *H2.
Gk. orego: 'stretch out, reach' (= Lat. rego:), orektos (= Lat. re:ctus,
OPers. ra:sta-, PGmc. *rexta-) show the value of the laryngeal. The
development of the 'royal' semantics of the root is illustrated by the
Latin meanings of <rego:> -- (1) 'keep straight, lead straight'; (2)
'guide, lead, direct'; (3) 'set right, correct'; (4) 'control, rule,
***Patrick:Could you spell out in detail your reasoning for considering the initial o- the result of a 'laryngeal' as opposed to the explanation offered by Pokorny: "prefix"?***
... Pokorny s reconstruction is non-laryngeal, so what else could he say? The fact that we don t see this prefix anywhere except in Greek (and it s preciselyMessage 1 of 5 , May 4, 2006View SourceOn 2006-05-04 18:57, Patrick Ryan wrote:
> Could you spell out in detail your reasoning for considering thePokorny's reconstruction is non-laryngeal, so what else could he say?
> initial o- the result of a 'laryngeal' as opposed to the explanation
> offered by Pokorny: "prefix"?
The fact that we don't see this "prefix" anywhere except in Greek (and
it's precisely in Greek that we would expect to see a pre-liquid
laryngeal) militates against this explanation.
*** Patrick: I thought it might be helpful to delineate my assumptions concisely. 1. The earliest prevalent PIE root-form was *CACA, where *A is theMessage 1 of 5 , May 4, 2006View Source***Patrick:I thought it might be helpful to delineate my assumptions concisely.1. The earliest prevalent PIE root-form was *CACA, where *A is the Ablaut-vowel, which can appear as *é/*o/*Ø.2. The singular/punctual is expressed by penultimate stress-accentuation: *CÁCA > *CéCA.3. The earliest expression of stress-unaccented *A was *Ø: *CéCØ.4. The plural/durative is expressed by ultimate stress-accentuation: *CACÁ
> *CØCé.a. Any *e is the result of present or former stress-accented *A.5. The _next_ earliest expression of stress-_de_-accented *é was *o; *CéCØ with ultimate stress-accentuation becomes *CoCé.a. The origin of *o may have originally been purely epenthetic.6. In the _last_ earliest stage, stress-accentuation shifts do not occasion deletion or quality change of vowels.***