Liz Fried wrote: -----Original Message----- From: odell mcguire [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] The question which keeps coming to my mind isMessage 1 of 3 , Jun 30, 1999View Source
Liz Fried wrote:
> -----Original Message----->[snip] For Herod had put him to death, though he>was a good man and had exhorted the Jews to lead righteous lives, to
> From: odell mcguire [mailto:omcguire@...]
The question which keeps coming
> to my mind is
> what word(s) did *Josephus* (in Ant.) use in describing what JB
> did and did not
> claim his baptism of metanoia led to And
> what he said the >others< who came and got John in trouble said
> it led to.
practice justice towards their fellows and piety towards God, and so doing
to join in Baptism (Baptsmo sunienai.) In his view this was a necessary
preliminary if baptism was to be acceptable to God. They must not employ it
to gain pardon for whatever sins they committed, but as a consecration of
the body imply that the soul was already cleansed by right behavior. When
others too joined the crowds about him, because they were aroused tothe<
highest degree by his sermons, Herod became alarmed. [snip]<
>Interesting. Is this what you wanted?<
Not quite all of it. The corresponding word to (aphesin) in: >metanoias eis aphesin hamartiwn< from Mark, would be (pardon) in: >They must not employ it *to gain pardon* for whatever sins they committed< from Josephus above. For >they< appears to be logically antecedent to the >others< who caught the attention of Herod. So if some form of the noun aphesis is used or perhaps a passive of its cognate verb aphihmi AND that word has special Jubilee overtones as you have suggested, perhaps a *general amnesty* for sinners, then:
(1) Josephus is purposely contrasting the harmless >coming together in baptism< after repentence which John actually preached, with >a baptism leading to liberation from all their sins< which latter is something else; and no great distance from what *Mark* said the Baptist preached. I believe this much has been admitted by several scholars. Even if the words don't match. But if they do, I think the overtones of Jubilee give the passage a more sinister, more revolutionary, flavor as well as greater authority and contextual coherence.
(2) It becomes quite conceieveable that a group of Jesus' followers, or followers to be, with or without HJ are the >others<. etc. etc.
I am grateful for your trouble. Incidentally, my conception of Jubilee is forever colored by my southern musical and historical heritage; the time is fulfilled and the liberation of the slaves is at hand.
Best, Odell, Lexington, VA
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