... Your input is helpful. This does clarify the issues. I still see both the options, however, as open possibilities - but like I said, this does clarifyMessage 1 of 3 , Sep 23, 2002View Source
>[snip]Your input is helpful. This does clarify the issues. I still see both
>So far as I can see, setting aside the tendentious explanations of the
>evangelists, Jesus (or anybody) is likely to have been crucified for one of
>two reasons. Either (1) he was scooped up in a general Roman squelching of a
>disturbance, which he may or may not have been involved in (Mack's
>hypothesis); or 2) he was identified to the Romans as somehow seditious (in
>behavior, or teachings, or intentions, who knows?). [snip]
the options, however, as "open" possibilities - but like I said, this
does clarify things.
>I suspect that many folks on this list are motivated to deny JewishI think your assessment is close but not quite right here. Of course
>involvement in the crucifixion for theological reasons, i.e., to distance
>"the Christian story" from anti-Semitism. For what it's worth, I don't think
>this accomplishes anything -- I can't imagine many Jews, hearing this, will
>dance around in joy, saying, with relief, "oh good, 'we' didn't crucify him
>after all! Hey, let's forget about Auschwitz! These Christians aren't so
>bad." But of course, this is off topic.
Auschwitz lies behind these questions - theology and history must be
differently after Auschwitz. In spite of the dancing Rabbi's going by
my apartment as we speak - I agree that most Jews will be indifferent
to these discussions - But I think they are done more to probe Xn
attitudes - and also Western attitudes that are built upon these Xn
narratives - so it isn't just a Xn thing (although it is that) but
also a cultural thing. In addition I *disagree* when you say that
this is about trying to 'distance "the Xn story" from anti-Semitism'
(although I prefer "anti-Judaism" in this context) - this is
something we cannot do. It is exactly the *story* that will now stand
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Once in a while you can get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
-Robert Hunter From SCARLET BEGONIAS
... Actually, I agree with you 100% on this. That is, any effort to distance the Christian story from anti-semitism via historical criticism will fail,Message 1 of 3 , Sep 23, 2002View SourceSteve Black wrote:
>also a cultural thing. In addition I *disagree* when you say thatActually, I agree with you 100% on this. That is, any effort to distance the
>this is about trying to 'distance "the Xn story" from anti-Semitism'
>(although I prefer "anti-Judaism" in this context) - this is
>something we cannot do. It is exactly the *story* that will now stand
Christian story from anti-semitism via historical criticism will fail,
precisely because it is the STORY that is really the issue. And just for the
sake of (further) clarification, my choice of "anti-semitism" over
"anti-Judaism" was a considered one, insofar as I was commenting on the
agenda of moderns, for whom anti-Semitism is the real issue. The story
itself (in terms of the agenda of its ancient authors) may give expression
to or reflect anti-Judaism. But in modern times that anti-Judaism has often
taken the form of anti-Semitism, and in some (many?) cases "the Christian
story" has been used as a support for this sentiment.
But, as I said before, this is all really off-topic for this list. (So why
do I keep writing about it?)
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