... Is #102 among those you consider to be inauthentic? JS made this black as it is considered to be one of Aesop s fables which was current at that time.Message 1 of 56 , Oct 2, 1998View SourceAt 20:57 1/10/98 -0400, Stevan Davies wrote:
>Is #102 among those you consider to be inauthentic? JS made this black as
>> From: Bob Schacht
>> Well, now, these "inauthentic" sayings interest me (for the moment). I can
>> understand inauthentic sayings as part of redactional material or editorial
>> reworking, but if its just a collection of sayings, why should there be any
>> inauthentic sayings? That is, if Thomas avoids editorial comment, why would
>> he make up a saying (which is, after all, an editorial comment inserted
>> into the mouth of a speaker.)
>Thomas avoids editorial comment and does not make things up.
>[The inauthentic stuff is extraordinarily various and not such that
>you could point to several things and say "these he made up."]
>> Or are you just saying that Thomas was a
>> somewhat indiscriminate collector of sayings and
>> things-somebody-said-that-were-attributed-to-Jesus, and
>that Thomas didn't
>> know the difference?
>Yes, that's it. In my imaginative reconstruction Judas Thomas
>(or somebody) within a community on one occasion wrote down
>what several people came up with as Jesus' sayings. Because
>they are in a community they share certain points of view and
>so there is a rather vague Thomas-point-of-view in Thomas. But
>the intention is not to push the point of view per se but to get
>sayings on parchment. People remember various things and
>speak them aloud to the scribe who writes them down. The compiler
>of the text had no or virtually no input. The variousness of the
>inauthentic sayings has to do with various people remembering
>different things. The "catchwords" result from e.g. a "light"
>saying prompting in memory another "light" saying and so forth.
>The clustering of the doublets in Thomas toward the end
>indicates that the folks were running out of new sayings.
it is considered to be one of Aesop's fables which was current at that
time. Could not the saying have come from Jesus and then used by whoever
put together the collection of Aesop's fables?
Dear Rene: I think it has a much simpler answer: Nobody cares what gender anybody is. Why should they? You pick the most likely, that s all. I cannot imagineMessage 56 of 56 , Oct 22, 1998View SourceDear Rene:
I think it has a much simpler answer: Nobody cares what gender anybody is.
Why should they? You pick the most likely, that's all. I cannot imagine
that the distinction, if known would alter any item in the ongoing
At 07:49 AM 10/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
> This disembodied forum of cyberspace, where all is transmitted via____________________________________
>printed word, can lead to amusing curiosities such as myself
>being referred to lately on Crosstalk as "she" and even most recently
>"Renee" (contrary to the evidence!) when I am in fact quite happily
>male... :) No apologies are in order by anyone except myself for not
>putting "Mr." in front of the name.
> It just goes to show how easy it is for all of us to go beyond the
> I'll be posting more GTh-Synoptic parallel statistics in the next 24
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