... Sounds about like the same voice. Some guy from Uni. of Kentucky. You can find others on Youtube if you d like to compare. PadraicMessage 1 of 8 , Sep 30View Source
> this video is not available in my location, and I think it will not beSounds about like the same voice. Some guy from Uni. of Kentucky. You can find
> available in the location of other members of this mailing list.
> Is this the same spoken indo-european fables shown here:
others on Youtube if you'd like to compare.
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Andrew Jarrette
... There was some discussion of this on Language Log: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=7179 among other things regarding the fact that Byrd s *h1 seemsMessage 1 of 8 , Oct 1View SourceOn Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:59:55 -0400, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:
among other things regarding the fact that Byrd's *h1 seems quite close to his *h2. I was pleased to see Martin Kümmel cited as endorsing values h1 = /h/, h2 = /X/, h3 = /R/, which is more or less my position (though I'm not sure what I think of the question of whether h3 was rounded yet).
Of more general interest, the book this is taken from, Kümmel's _Konsonantenwandel: Bausteine zu einer Typologie des Lautwandels und ihre Konsequenzen für die vergleichende Rekonstruktion_ appears to be a specimen of a type that many conlangers have wished for*, namely, a catalogue of sound changes and study of their probability. Kümmel's scope is Indo-European, Uralic, and Semitic. Now only to get my hands on a copy...
* and some have embarked on producing, e.g.
... http://www.amazon.com/Konsonantenwandel-Lautwandels-Konsequenzen-vergleichende-Rekonstruktion/dp/3895005908 At just $99 it s not the most expensiveMessage 1 of 8 , Oct 1View SourceOn 2013-10-01 12:42, Alex Fink wrote:
> Konsonantenwandel: Bausteine zu einer Typologie des Lautwandels undhttp://www.amazon.com/Konsonantenwandel-Lautwandels-Konsequenzen-vergleichende-Rekonstruktion/dp/3895005908
> ihre Konsequenzen für die vergleichende Rekonstruktion
At "just" $99 it's not the most expensive linguistics-book I've come
across... but then again, I try to collect reference grammars.
... Nope - not available in this location either. ... Right - let s assume it is. ... Not at the moment, thanks :) It might be of academic interest, butMessage 1 of 8 , Oct 1View SourceOn 01/10/2013 02:18, Padraic Brown wrote:
>> this video is not available in my location, and I thinkNope - not available in this location either.
>> it will not be available in the location of other
>> members of this mailing list.
>> Is this the same spoken indo-european fables shownRight - let's assume it is.
> Sounds about like the same voice. Some guy from Uni. of
> You can find others on Youtube if you'd like to compare.Not at the moment, thanks :)
It might be of academic interest, but there's no reason IMO
to suppose that any will have a more authentic pronunciation
On 01/10/2013 02:16, Padraic Brown wrote:
> ...the fable was first written in 1868 and ónly júst nòw
> this guy comes along and reads it aloud for the very
> first time in the history of the universe?
> Sadly, this kind of inane sensationalism is all too
> typical of Yahoo Snews. I mean really?
Yep, a bit of a stupid claim, to put it mildly. And as for
the ridiculous claim "Language Spoken for First Time in
4,000-Plus Years" .......
words fail me.
I'm fairly that if some PIE-speaking of 4000 or so yeas ago
heard that video clip s/he wouldn't recognize the language ;)
We can get probably a fairly reasonable reconstruction of
Classical Latin; be even with all the evidence we have there
are some areas of doubt. There is no doubt in my mind that
if we were able to travel back in time, it would take us a
bit of of time to communicate readily with say Caesar,
Cicero or Vergil. Going back earlier to Classical Greece,
and the problem becomes much greater; I've no doubt a time
traveler, who knew Classical Greek, arriving in Athens in
the 5th century BC would not be readily understood nor would
s/he readily understand the language they heard.
To go back to the PIE of 4000 or so years presents even
greater problems. IMO it is highly unlikely that a modern
reconstruction will faithfully represent something last
heard 4000-plus years ago!
> "Here it is for the first time ever"?? Schleicher's
> Fable has been on Youtube for a couple years at least,
> read by several different folks and one even has a nice
> animation. I'm sure the author himself read it aloud a
> time or three during his career,
I'm darn sure he did, way back in 1868!
I remember coming across this some 60 years ago. I did read
it, tho even then I was aware that ideas about PIE had moved
on a bit.
> and quite probably all the authors of subsequent
> modifications read their versions as well.
Well, of course they did.
As Eric Powell writes: "Since there is considerable
disagreement among scholars about PIE, no one version can be
considered definitive." Of course they can't. The only way
to get a definitive version and really hear what PIE sounded
like is to discover the secret of time-travel ;)
"For the umpteenth time ever, hear a modern reconstruction
of what a language spoken 4000-plus years ago may have
possibly sounded like."
"language … began with half-musical unanalysed expressions
for individual beings and events."
[Otto Jespersen, Progress in Language, 1895]
Yes, it s the same as the one you mention. Andrew ________________________________ From: Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro To:Message 1 of 8 , Oct 1View SourceYes, it's the same as the one you mention.
From: Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro <hcesarcastro@...>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: Spoken Indo-European
this video is not available in my location, and I think it will not be
available in the location of other members of this mailing list.
Is this the same spoken indo-european fables shown here:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>wrote: