I'll third that.
Also, I may not be a native speaker of French, but I've lived in France for
the past two years and have a fairly advanced knowledge of Spoken French,
having also studied it at university.
There are some interesting academic articles about Spoken French (at least
as far as dislocations and future tense variation go), but personally I've
never heard of this "polypersonal" thing. Care to explain, Christophe?
2013/8/30 Leonardo Castro <leolucas1980@...
> 2013/8/30 Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>:
> > Please ask on-list, Aiden, if you don't mind!
> I agree! I think that this subject is interesting for many people here.
> > I always like to read Christophe's views on Spoken French. Of course,
> please don't feel obliged to just because I asked, it is just a selfish
> request (:
> > Eugene
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On 30 Aug 2013, at 08:10, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
> tsela.cg@...> wrote:
> >> On 30 August 2013 06:03, Aidan Grey <taalenmaple@...> wrote:
> >>> Rather than just another Future English, I'm working on a future
> >>> Wassa is a polysynthetic French that's lost its nasals and its
> >>> uvular/guttural R, and I'm still playing with the idea of tones, but
> >>> sure it's going to happen just yet.
> >>> To that end - are there any good resources out there on colloquial /
> >>> French? The French I know / read is very academic and literary, and I
> >>> to learn more about the ways that it's already changing.
> >>> I've done some looking, but haven't had very good luck so far.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Aidan
> >> Well, one could call *me* a good resource on colloquial French (I
> prefer to
> >> call it "Spoken French", as there is nothing colloquial about it: even
> >> formal registers of Spoken French are quite different from literary
> >> French), but I guess you'd rather have something you can read at your
> >> leisure, rather than someone who may not always be available to answer
> >> questions :) .
> >> Unfortunately resources on Spoken French are indeed very scarce.
> >> on vocabulary, and especially argot, are relatively easy to find, but
> >> grammatical info is just missing.
> >> You can find bits and pieces here:
> >> http://french.about.com/od/grammar/a/negation_inf.htm (this page deals
> >> negation, but also has links to other pages about Spoken French). In
> >> of books, _Colloquial French Grammar, a practical guide_ by Rodney Ball
> >> not bad, but has a big hole in lacking a description of Spoken French's
> >> polypersonal verbs. Could be because it's from 2000. The polypersonal
> >> nature of Spoken French's verbs has been unrecognised for a long time,
> >> maybe because there's still a strong impression among people that Spoken
> >> French is a "debased" form of the language that is not worthy of study,
> >> thus they will automatically code-switch to something somewhat closer to
> >> Written French when asked questions about their own language.It's
> >> to study a grammatical feature when the natives refuse to use it in
> >> of the linguist :P.
> >> And of course you can always ask me questions, on- and off-list. I may
> >> always reply immediately, but I *always* reply eventually :).
> >> --
> >> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
> >> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> >> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/