--- In firstname.lastname@example.org
, "William H Keene" <wh_keene@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "josepharose" <josepharose@y...>
> > Did Grant really occupy Paducah without orders?
> > His Memoirs argue that he did it without Fremont's intervention.
> > Hughes (pg 5) wrote that Fremont "approved." Simon, in his PUSG 2
> > (pg 192n) asserted that Fremont's message was probably
> > not "available" to Grant. On the two previous pages, however, it
> > seems clear that Grant received and responded to Fremont's order to
> > either occupy Paducah--if Grant thought it possible--or place a
> > battery opposite it.
> I do not have access to PUSG, but based on the correspondence in the
> ORs the point seems unclear. In a message of the 5th Fremont did
> instruct Grant to occupy Paducah but whether this message reached
> Grant before he left for Paducah that night is not clear. Grant's
> correspondence from prior to going to Paducah does not give any
> indication that he had received that message. His messages do
> indicate that he thought he might be instructed not to go and also
> give the impression that there are other messages not contained in
> the records.
An on-line article, written by John Y. Simon, indicates that Grant had received
orders to occupy Paducah if the rebels moved first (at least that is my
understanding). This seems to be confirmed by the wording in Grant's memoirs in
which he states that he will go ahead with his planned movement, unless he
receives "further orders". IMHO, the phrase, "further orders", instead of "orders to
the contrary", indicates that Grant was acting within orders. Simon also indicates
that the reply to Grant's original message, was sent by an "aide" who wrote the
message in Hungarian (this may be what Simon meant by not "available"). Catton,
in "Grant Moves South", indicates that Grant sent his message(s) to Fremont,
received no reply and decided to continue on to Paducah (the man who gave him the
original intelligence of a rebel move was one of Fremont's spies. Catton describes
Fremont's intelligence network as very good so Grant had reason to believe him).
Also according to Catton, Grant forwarded the man who imparted the information, to
Fremont, and Grant also found a reply from Fremont when he returned to Cairo,
which supported his move on Paducah.
IMHO, this entire thread is a backhanded swipe at Grant's credibility. The accounts
I refer to above seem to support Grant's version. As to whether the rebels were as
close as Grant believed, that isn't really important. At the time he had intelligence
suggesting that they were that close and he moved aggressively to counter that
movement. He acted with the approval, albeit delayed, of his superior and nothing in
his account suggests that he was taking credit for making the move on his own. In
fact, Grant appears, as he usually did, to have followed military protocol exactly.
The delay in receiving an answer from Fremont means that Grant had to act, to
some extent on his own intiative. Strange that Mr. Rose lauds such
"insubordination" in others, but criticizes it in Grant.